Stripping Is Lucrative (Public school alert)

[Lighthouse]

:chuckle:

 

[firechyld]

PureX...

I suppose that exotic dancing does pay pretty well. But there's a lot more to a job than what it pays. A whole lot more. Everything we do effects ourselves and other people and we have a responsibility to try and understand the effects of our actions and to take responsibility for them. A job isn't just about what it pays.

Not by a longshot.

Quite.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here who has actually worked in the sex industry, so my perspective is a little different. It can be a rewarding and well-paying career... and it can also go horribly, horribly wrong. It's certainly not something you'd promote in general terms to school children...

 

[Granite]

So stripping's lucrative. Big surprise.

In the interest of full disclosure the guy should have examined the down side of the industry, too...

 

[Nineveh]

In the name of fairness and equality, perhaps they should have David Sherman in as a guest speaker....

 

[Granite]

Sounds like the speaker went off on a tangent, that's all. Not like he went in there with "Showgirls" tucked under one arm as informational material...

 

[Nineveh]

Never mind the kids who might take what he said to heart.

 

[Granite]

If they have any kind of parents, that won't be a problem.

 

[Mr Jack]

I hate stories like this, there's so little information to base an opinion on it's pointless even to try.

His statement is factually correct, and without a context I can't say whether his speech is objectionable or not.

 

[Servo]

Originally posted by firechyld

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here who has actually worked in the sex industry, so my perspective is a little different. It can be a rewarding and well-paying career... and it can also go horribly, horribly wrong. It's certainly not something you'd promote in general terms to school children...

firechyld,


Did you experience anything like what David Sherman mentioned in his testimony?

Again, David's testimony is here:

http://www.adultssavingkids.org/DavidShermanII.html

 

[PureX]

Originally posted by Mr Jack

I hate stories like this, there's so little information to base an opinion on it's pointless even to try.

His statement is factually correct, and without a context I can't say whether his speech is objectionable or not.

Since when has the lack of facts ever stopped anyone around here from passing judgment? *smile*

 

[firechyld]

firechyld,


Did you experience anything like what David Sherman mentioned in his testimony?

Again, David's testimony is here:

http://www.adultssavingkids.org/DavidShermanII.html

Not at all. My experiences, and the experiences of most of those I know who have worked in the industry, have been nothing but positive. I myself haven't worked as a stripper, but I know quite a few girls who have.

That said, we're all very aware of the negative side to the industry. It does exist, and the fact that we've avoided it doesn't mean it's not there. A lot of girls (and boys) get into the work for the wrong reason, or through the wrong people, and can have very nasty experiences.

Still... as much as we try not to blank out the negatives of the industry, I do think this guy is ignoring the positives, and the neutrals. That may just be his experiences, and I'm not going to dispute that. But he is presenting a very one sided view as though it is the be-all and end-all of the story.

 

[Mr Jack]

Not at all. My experiences, and the experiences of most of those I know who have worked in the industry, have been nothing but positive.

Is there any industry that cannot be said of?

 

[Granite]

Sherman's testimony has to be taken with a grain of salt.

The Christian right, for example, loves trotting out women such as Andrea Dworkin when discussing the evils of pornography. They neglect to tell you that Dworkin had a vicious, sexually-addicted husband who degraded her regularly, and that Dworkin is now about the biggest bra-burning left-wing feminist you can find.

Just gimme both sides, is all I'm saying.

 

[Servo]

Originally posted by firechyld

Not at all. My experiences, and the experiences of most of those I know who have worked in the industry, have been nothing but positive. I myself haven't worked as a stripper, but I know quite a few girls who have.

I kind of figured you would say something like that.

Are your parents proud of the sex industry work that you have done?

When David Sherman's daughter was born, that is when he decided to get out of the business. He knew how the industry prays on women, and he wanted no part of it anymore.

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Shimei

I kind of figured you would say something like that.

Are your parents proud of the sex industry work that you have done?

When David Sherman's daughter was born, that is when he decided to get out of the business. He knew how the industry prays on women, and he wanted no part of it anymore.

Why is it supposedly impossible to believe that some women LIKE working in the sex industry? Or is that something That Just Can't Happen?

 

[Servo]

Originally posted by granite1010

Why is it supposedly impossible to believe that some women LIKE working in the sex industry? Or is that something That Just Can't Happen?

Yes, I am sure that they LIKE it.

From David Sherman:

Right from the start, drug and alcohol use is rampant. The dancers call it partying. They don’t realize that they are medicating themselves in order to do the work they do. Also, the abortion rate is extremely high due to the fact that most have lost contact with family members due to what they do. They also feel they could never take the chance on flawing the body from carrying a child. Additionally, the dancers believe they have no way to support a baby without dancing, and therefore can’t quit to have one. Basically, they are caught in a very real, painful Catch-22.

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Shimei

Yes, I am sure that they LIKE it.

From David Sherman:

Right from the start, drug and alcohol use is rampant. The dancers call it partying. They don’t realize that they are medicating themselves in order to do the work they do. Also, the abortion rate is extremely high due to the fact that most have lost contact with family members due to what they do. They also feel they could never take the chance on flawing the body from carrying a child. Additionally, the dancers believe they have no way to support a baby without dancing, and therefore can’t quit to have one. Basically, they are caught in a very real, painful Catch-22.

For one thing, this is Sherman's personal opinion, nothing more. For another, this doesn't answer my question: is or is it not possible that some women do enjoy the lifestyle?

Asking Sherman for his take on the industry's about as useful as Dworkin denouncing porn or Ted Bundy blaming skin mags for his deviancies.

 

[Zakath]

Originally posted by granite1010
...Asking Sherman for his take on the industry's about as useful as Dworkin denouncing porn or Ted Bundy blaming skin mags for his deviancies.

Or a former preacher for his/her opinion on the efficacy and veracity of religion...

(Sorry; but the whole story makes me think of Dan Barker....)

 

[Servo]

Originally posted by granite1010

For one thing, this is Sherman's personal opinion, nothing more. For another, this doesn't answer my question: is or is it not possible that some women do enjoy the lifestyle?

Asking Sherman for his take on the industry's about as useful as Dworkin denouncing porn or Ted Bundy blaming skin mags for his deviancies.

Granite, next time you are at the strip joint, maybe you could take a survey from some of the strippers about weather of not they like their work. If any of them are not too high, maybe they could give you an answer similar to firechyld's, or maybe one of them will tell you the truth.

David Sherman's personal opinion? Uhh, he was the MANAGER of several strip joints for several years. He may know SOMETHING about the business. Or maybe he was just lying to the Michigan House Committee.

 

[Granite]

Originally posted by Shimei

Granite, next time you are at the strip joint, maybe you could take a survey from some of the strippers about weather of not they like their work. If any of them are not too high, maybe they could give you an answer similar to firechyld's, or maybe one of them will tell you the truth.

David Sherman's personal opinion? Uhh, he was the MANAGER of several strip joints for several years. He may know SOMETHING about the business. Or maybe he was just lying to the Michigan House Committee.

Shimei, you're not answering my question.

Is it or is it not possible for some of the girls in this lifestyle to genuinely enjoy it?

Or is a self-destructive lifestyle of ANY kind somehow "impossible" to enjoy?