The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

[DFT_Dave]

In this video we can see a "reflection" of the sun before we see the sun appear through the horizon at sun rise.

1. At 0:45 into the video we see the what looks like the top of the sun but it is a reflection with the sun above it but not yet visible through the atmosphere.

2. The reflection grows larger until at 1:12 we see the bottom of the sun appear and gradually merge with it's reflection.

3. There is a horizon reflection that is seen for both ships and sun over the ocean that demonstrate how we see it from perspective over a flat earth. The top of the actual ship and sun and the bottom of their reflections are compressed together.

The case for flat earth is that nothing sinks below a curved earth. Everything moves into the horizon.

The argument from globe earth is that the sun would always be visible from everywhere over a flat earth and discounts perspective.

The distance of the sun from above the earth and the size of the sun would be consistent with what we see.

--Dave

 

[DFT_Dave]

Is it true that the sun, moon, and stars appear to move at the same rate of speed as this short clip states?

--Dave

 

[DFT_Dave]

Here we see the argument for flat earth based on local illumination of the sun as it sets as opposed to what we would see if the earth were a spinning globe.

--Dave

 

[DFT_Dave]

It would be impossible for sun, moon, and stars to appear to move at the same rate of speed if they were at vastly different distances from the earth.

The obvious conclusion is that the sun, moon, and stars are all about the same distance from the earth.

--Dave

 

[Stripe]

The question is: "Who cares?"

It would be impossible for sun, moon, and stars to appear to move at the same rate of speed if they were at vastly different distances from the earth.

The obvious conclusion is that the sun, moon, and stars are all about the same distance from the earth.

--Dave

 

[JudgeRightly]

It would be impossible for sun, moon, and stars to appear to move at the same rate of speed if they were at vastly different distances from the earth.

The obvious conclusion is that the sun, moon, and stars are all about the same distance from the earth.

--Dave

It's very possible Dave. Once again, you show that you are incapable of understanding just HOW BIG the universe is. You constantly fail to comprehend the scale of the distances.

 

[Right Divider]

It would be impossible for sun, moon, and stars to appear to move at the same rate of speed if they were at vastly different distances from the earth.

The obvious conclusion is that the sun, moon, and stars are all about the same distance from the earth.

--Dave

Utter nonsense Dave.

The motion of objects is all relative to each other.

As Clete and others (including myself) have pointed out, we can use triangles to determine the distances of the moon and the earth. When the moon is HALF illuminated (something that also FAILS badly in the FE "model"), we can use the angle to the moon and the sun to determine their relative distance. We can also use two observations from different places on earth to determine the distance to the moon.... It's all been done, but you and your FE buds cannot understand these simple things that a middle school child can handle with ease.

 

[DFT_Dave]

Moon, stars, and planets all moving at the same rate of speed as seen in this video is impossible if they are vastly different distances apart.

Notice that the ocean is flat with straight horizon. The clouds are moving, the stars and planets are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, the ocean waves are moving, all this over a motionless earth and all this moving in perspective.

--Dave

 

[JudgeRightly]

Moon, stars, and planets all moving at the same rate of speed as seen in this video is impossible if they are vastly different distances apart.

Notice that the ocean is flat with straight horizon. The clouds are moving, the stars and planets are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, the ocean waves are moving, all this over a motionless earth and all this moving in perspective.

--Dave

They're not moving at the same velocity, Dave.

 

[Right Divider]

They're not moving at the same velocity, Dave.

He's helpless and hopeless.

 

[genuineoriginal]

 

[Clete]

I vow to never watch another video posted that has anything to do with showing that the Earth is flat.

Not one second of one single more video.

I will not watch them. I will not discuss them.

I am done with flat earth videos - forever - period.

 

[Nathon Detroit]

This thread is very sad. Dave doesn't understand simple geometry. He won't go look at a sunset. He is living in a fantasy world where FE video clips are the Truth, and everything else, including simple math and what you see with your own eyes, are lies- Satan generated lies to boot.

Very sad.

Dave is more committed to the theory than to the truth. He doesn't want to find the truth because playing in the lunatic sandbox is more fun to him. Why?? I don't know. My guess is a lot of marijuana.

 

[Bright Raven]

Dave is more committed to the theory than to the truth. He doesn't want to find the truth because playing in the lunatic sandbox is more fun to him. Why?? I don't know. My guess is a lot of marijuana.

:thumb:

 

[JudgeRightly]

Dave is more committed to the theory than to the truth. He doesn't want to find the truth because playing in the lunatic sandbox is more fun to him. Why?? I don't know. My guess is a lot of marijuana.

Stupid doesn't make you sin.

Sin makes you stupid.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Notice that the ocean is flat with straight horizon. The clouds are moving, the stars and planets are moving at the same speed and in the same direction, the ocean waves are moving, all this over a motionless earth and all this moving in perspective.

--Dave

Students film breathtaking curvature of Earth using high-altitude weather balloon

Physics students from the University of Leicester have captured breathtaking images of the Earth's stratosphere using a high altitude weather balloon.
The unmanned balloon and sensor payload reached an altitude of 23.6km, putting it at 1.7 times the altitude ceiling of a 747 airliner.
In conditions close to a vacuum with ambient temperatures around -56oC the students' payload filmed the cloud tops and the curvature of the Earth.

 

[DFT_Dave]

None of you want to address the video time-lapse and telephoto evidence that is challenging the foundations of heliocentrism.

And yet the origin of the earth is a globe was established by a simple observation that merely presupposes that if the moon and sun are round then so is the earth. And from that presupposition everything from the radius of the earth, the distance and size of the sun and moon has been supposedly calculated.

If the earth is not a globe then the whole edifice of heliocentrism, with all it's confirming calculations, collapses.

The only thing we can really know about the earth is from earth and not by looking at the heavenly bodies we can only guess about what is real and true about them.

That sun, moon, stars and planets, all move together in unison and the same apparent rate of speed is one of the most compelling arguments against the heliocentric universe I have seen. I will wait to see what, if any, arguments can be made to explain how this is possible for GE.

--Dave

 

[DFT_Dave]

Students film breathtaking curvature of Earth using high-altitude weather balloon

Physics students from the University of Leicester have captured breathtaking images of the Earth's stratosphere using a high altitude weather balloon.
The unmanned balloon and sensor payload reached an altitude of 23.6km, putting it at 1.7 times the altitude ceiling of a 747 airliner.
In conditions close to a vacuum with ambient temperatures around -56oC the students' payload filmed the cloud tops and the curvature of the Earth.

The earth is no more curved than the orange rope that is shown in the pic. Almost all curved earth video from high altitude employ a fish eye lens that distorts the horizon creating curves that don't exist.

--Dave

 

[genuineoriginal]

The earth is no more curved than the orange rope that is shown in the pic. Almost all curved earth video from high altitude employ a fish eye lens that distorts the horizon creating curves that don't exist.

--Dave

There is a greater curvature of the horizon in the video than can be explained by the distortion produced by a fish-eye lens.

 

[JudgeRightly]

None of you want to address the video time-lapse and telephoto evidence

You're right. We're sick of you avoiding the arguments we make, only to post more videos about unrelated topics to the current discussion.

that is challenging the foundations of heliocentrism.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

And yet the origin of the earth is a globe was established by a simple observation that merely presupposes that if the moon and sun are round then so is the earth.

Not sure where you got that idea, but it was Eratosthenes who measured the circumference of the earth...

You can't measure the circumference of a sphere if it's not a sphere.

And from that presupposition everything from the radius of the earth, the distance and size of the sun and moon has been supposedly calculated.

If the earth is not a globe then the whole edifice of heliocentrism, with all it's confirming calculations, collapses.

The only thing we can really know about the earth is from earth and not by looking at the heavenly bodies we can only guess about what is real and true about them.

That sun, moon, stars and planets, all move together in unison and the same apparent rate of speed is one of the most compelling arguments against the heliocentric universe I have seen. I will wait to see what, if any, arguments can be made to explain how this is possible for GE.

--Dave

Except it's NOT the same velocity, Dave. This is where your argument that "if we can see it it must be true" falls apart, because the velocities of EVERYTHING in the night sky can be measured, and the velocities ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

Just use a telescope and track the stars yourself, Dave, you'll quickly see that just because the night sky looks the same every night doesn't mean that every point of light in the sky is in the exact same place.

And guess what?

THEY ALL FOLLOW predictable paths, and predictable because they are real objects, not just dots in a dome above a flat earth.