The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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freelight

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'Progress' is the watchword......

'Progress' is the watchword......

You have to understand Freelight, these are the same kind of hard hearted self proclaimed "chosen people" that hated Jesus and his Liberal message. In that respect we are casting our pearls before swine because of the nature of the internet.


The beauty of intellectual freedom and spiritual research is the quest of personal discovery. Any religious belief or assumption that retards such is detrimental to soul progress.

4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God's dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man's mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual.
 

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You have to understand Freelight, these are the same kind of hard hearted self proclaimed "chosen people" that hated Jesus and his Liberal message. In that respect we are casting our pearls before swine because of the nature of the internet.

Those pushing the urantia UFO cult and the ub don't have any pearls to cast and are the swine you speak of. You won't get any pearls to cast unless you first accept the message of the Cross:

Jesus Christ died on the Cross for your sins,
He was buried,
He arose again on the third day.
 

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You praise copies of copies of copies of lost writings of the old prophets and yet you blaspheme the new testaments. Go figure
 

freelight

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You praise copies of copies of copies of lost writings of the old prophets and yet you blaspheme the new testaments. Go figure

No one is 'blaspheming' the NT. Re-read my former commentary and important resource links...use a little intelligence. Work towards education....it's a wonderful thing. Go back and review.
 

Aimiel

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The beauty of intellectual freedom and spiritual research is the quest of personal discovery. Any religious belief or assumption that retards such is detrimental to soul progress.


Jesus said that he alone is the one and only way to life he is one and only life he is it one and only truth about God and he also said that everyone who comes another way is a thief and a robber. His blood is the only way to life.
 

freelight

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Let's be intellectually honest....

Let's be intellectually honest....

Copies are good. You guys got the wrong bibles

First of all....let's understand what the Bible actually is before religious opinions centuries later were imposed upon it.

See: What is the Bible?

That's base 1, for starters. Fail to educate yourself and no real purposeful discussion can be had here.

Secondly, the Urantia Papers are a collection of 196 papers...composed from a compendium of human knowledge with enhanced information and new revelation which was granted in the 20th century, a dispensation given from a group of celestial personalities. The papers speak for themselves, whether one believes them or not. Such a book may not be for some people at this time, for others it is a great source of inspiration....the same could said about the Bible or other religious books. Some people favor some books over others,...still some of us more eclectic types draw from and include a variety of books in our spiritual study and religious ventures.

For those not interested in discussing the subject here, find another thread, invest your time elsewhere. OR learn the material and engage in a creative dialogue. Use your imagination in a good way for heaven's sake. Take advantage of what you have here by way of exploration and inquiry making the best of the discussion, while you have certain people here with you, as the opportunity is present.
 

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No one is 'blaspheming' the NT. Re-read my former commentary and important resource links...use a little intelligence. Work towards education....it's a wonderful thing. Go back and review.
There are no commentaries in the bible. Your intellegence goes with your brain in the future grave.
 

TulipBee

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First of all....let's understand what the Bible actually is before religious opinions centuries later were imposed upon it.

See: What is the Bible?

That's base 1, for starters. Fail to educate yourself and no real purposeful discussion can be had here.

Secondly, the Urantia Papers are a collection of 196 papers...composed from a compendium of human knowledge with enhanced information and new revelation which was granted in the 20th century, a dispensation given from a group of celestial personalities. The papers speak for themselves, whether one believes them or not. Such a book may not be for some people at this time, for others it is a great source of inspiration....the same could said about the Bible or other religious books. Some people favor some books over others,...still some of us more eclectic types draw from and include a variety of books in our spiritual study and religious ventures.

For those not interested in discussing the subject here, find another thread, invest your time elsewhere. OR learn the material and engage in a creative dialogue. Use your imagination in a good way for heaven's sake. Take advantage of what you have here by way of exploration and inquiry making the best of the discussion, while you have certain people here with you, as the opportunity is present.
Unfamiliar spirits inhance information. They are evil enough to decieve you. The Bible is the Word of God, fully inspired and without error in the original manuscripts, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that it has supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct. You have been debunked at https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark
 
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130:1.5 "Jesus’ last visit with Gadiah had to do with a discussion of good and evil. This young Philistine was much troubled by a feeling of injustice because of the presence of evil in the world alongside the good. He said: “How can God, if he is infinitely good, permit us to suffer the sorrows of evil; after all, who creates evil?” It was still believed by many in those days that God creates both good and evil, but Jesus never taught such error. In answering this question, Jesus said: “My brother, God is love; therefore he must be good, and his goodness is so great and real that it cannot contain the small and unreal things of evil. God is so positively good that there is absolutely no place in him for negative evil. Evil is the immature choosing and the unthinking misstep of those who are resistant to goodness, rejectful of beauty, and disloyal to truth. Evil is only the misadaptation of immaturity or the disruptive and distorting influence of ignorance. Evil is the inevitable darkness which follows upon the heels of the unwise rejection of light. Evil is that which is dark and untrue, and which, when consciously embraced and willfully endorsed, becomes sin.

130:1.6 “Your Father in heaven, by endowing you with the power to choose between truth and error, created the potential negative of the positive way of light and life; but such errors of evil are really nonexistent until such a time as an intelligent creature wills their existence by mischoosing the way of life. And then are such evils later exalted into sin by the knowing and deliberate choice of such a willful and rebellious creature. This is why our Father in heaven permits the good and the evil to go along together until the end of life, just as nature allows the wheat and the tares to grow side by side until the harvest.” Gadiah was fully satisfied with Jesus’ answer to his question after their subsequent discussion had made clear to his mind the real meaning of these momentous statements."
 

Aimiel

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First of all....let's understand what the Bible actually is before religious opinions centuries later were imposed upon it.

What is the Bible?
It is Words that God brought to prophets who wrote what He told them to...

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God doesn't make mistakes. Every statement in Scripture is Truth. There's not even one single historic fact stated in Scripture which has ever been proven false. That cannot be said for ANY other historical document in antiquity. None.
 

freelight

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There are no commentaries in the bible.

I gather that much is 'commentary'. With 66 books or more (add the Apocrypha or other books that could be included), there is a variety of literature within.


Your intellegence goes with your brain in the future grave.

I gather that as long as one is conscious, there is 'intelligence' in some form there, in whatever body that 'personality' or conscious entity indwells.
 

freelight

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Unfamiliar spirits inhance information. They are evil enough to decieve you.

Did you mean to say 'familiar spirits'? Well, lets consider this, if any spirit is evil, it will reveal an evil nature, behavior or character. A tree is known by its fruit. If a spirit is out to deceive anyone, one can consciously be vigilent to guard against such deception, if they are ever researching and testing those spirits, and whatever teaching is being revealed. "Test the spirits" is a caution all spiritualists consider, when getting messages from a spiritual source.

The Bible is the Word of God, fully inspired and without error in the original manuscripts, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that it has supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.

That is one 'belief' and 'assumption' held by some, upon which paticulars we've addressed elsewhere.
 

Aimiel

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To you, they are familiar spirits. To those who know Christ, they are unfamiliar. We hear His Voice. We won't follow the voice of a stranger.
 

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Did you mean to say 'familiar spirits'? Well, lets consider this, if any spirit is evil, it will reveal an evil nature, behavior or character. A tree is known by its fruit. If a spirit is out to deceive anyone, one can consciously be vigilent to guard against such deception, if they are ever researching and testing those spirits, and whatever teaching is being revealed. "Test the spirits" is a caution all spiritualists consider, when getting messages from a spiritual source.



That is one 'belief' and 'assumption' held by some, upon which paticulars we've addressed elsewhere.

It's a matter of pride and control. It hurts the pride of Biblical idolitrors to learn more or abandon the errors of the holy men.
 

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184:3.1 It was about half past three o'clock this Friday morning when the chief priest, Caiaphas, called the Sanhedrist court of inquiry to order and asked that Jesus be brought before them for his formal trial. On three previous occasions the Sanhedrin, by a large majority vote, had decreed the death of Jesus, had decided that he was worthy of death on informal charges of lawbreaking, blasphemy, and flouting the traditions of the fathers of Israel. *

184:3.2 This was not a regularly called meeting of the Sanhedrin and was not held in the usual place, the chamber of hewn stone in the temple. This was a special trial court of some thirty Sanhedrists and was convened in the palace of the high priest. John Zebedee was present with Jesus throughout this so-called trial.

184:3.3 How these chief priests, scribes, Sadducees, and some of the Pharisees flattered themselves that Jesus, the disturber of their position and the challenger of their authority, was now securely in their hands! And they were resolved that he should never live to escape their vengeful clutches.

184:3.4 Ordinarily, the Jews, when trying a man on a capital charge, proceeded with great caution and provided every safeguard of fairness in the selection of witnesses and the entire conduct of the trial. But on this occasion, Caiaphas was more of a prosecutor than an unbiased judge.

184:3.5 Jesus appeared before this court clothed in his usual garments and with his hands bound together behind his back. The entire court was startled and somewhat confused by his majestic appearance. Never had they gazed upon such a prisoner nor witnessed such composure in a man on trial for his life.

184:3.6 The Jewish law required that at least two witnesses must agree upon any point before a charge could be laid against the prisoner. Judas could not be used as a witness against Jesus because the Jewish law specifically forbade the testimony of a traitor. More than a score of false witnesses were on hand to testify against Jesus, but their testimony was so contradictory and so evidently trumped up that the Sanhedrists themselves were very much ashamed of the performance. Jesus stood there, looking down benignly upon these perjurers, and his very countenance disconcerted the lying witnesses. Throughout all this false testimony the Master never said a word; he made no reply to their many false accusations.

184:3.7 The first time any two of their witnesses approached even the semblance of an agreement was when two men testified that they had heard Jesus say in the course of one of his temple discourses that he would “destroy this temple made with hands and in three days make another temple without hands.” That was not exactly what Jesus said, regardless of the fact that he pointed to his own body when he made the remark referred to.

184:3.8 Although the high priest shouted at Jesus, “Do you not answer any of these charges?” Jesus opened not his mouth. He stood there in silence while all of these false witnesses gave their testimony. Hatred, fanaticism, and unscrupulous exaggeration so characterized the words of these perjurers that their testimony fell in its own entanglements. The very best refutation of their false accusations was the Master's calm and majestic silence.

184:3.9 Shortly after the beginning of the testimony of the false witnesses, Annas arrived and took his seat beside Caiaphas. Annas now arose and argued that this threat of Jesus to destroy the temple was sufficient to warrant three charges against him:

1. That he was a dangerous traducer of the people. That he taught them impossible things and otherwise deceived them.

2. That he was a fanatical revolutionist in that he advocated laying violent hands on the sacred temple, else how could he destroy it?

3. That he taught magic inasmuch as he promised to build a new temple, and that without hands.

184:3.13 Already had the full Sanhedrin agreed that Jesus was guilty of death-deserving transgressions of the Jewish laws, but they were now more concerned with developing charges regarding his conduct and teachings which would justify Pilate in pronouncing the death sentence upon their prisoner. They knew that they must secure the consent of the Roman governor before Jesus could legally be put to death. And Annas was minded to proceed along the line of making it appear that Jesus was a dangerous teacher to be abroad among the people.

The High Priest Rends His Clothes by James Tissot 184:3.14 But Caiaphas could not longer endure the sight of the Master standing there in perfect composure and unbroken silence. He thought he knew at least one way in which the prisoner might be induced to speak. Accordingly, he rushed over to the side of Jesus and, shaking his accusing finger in the Master's face, said: “I adjure you, in the name of the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Deliverer, the Son of God.” Jesus answered Caiaphas: “I am. Soon I go to the Father, and presently shall the Son of Man be clothed with power and once more reign over the hosts of heaven.”

184:3.15 When the high priest heard Jesus utter these words, he was exceedingly angry, and rending his outer garments, he exclaimed: “What further need have we of witnesses? Behold, now have you all heard this man's blasphemy. What do you now think should be done with this lawbreaker and blasphemer?” And they all answered in unison, “He is worthy of death; let him be crucified.” *

184:3.16 Jesus manifested no interest in any question asked him when before Annas or the Sanhedrists except the one question relative to his bestowal mission. When asked if he were the Son of God, he instantly and unequivocally answered in the affirmative.Ub1955
 

Charity

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To you, they are familiar spirits. To those who know Christ, they are unfamiliar. We hear His Voice. We won't follow the voice of a stranger.

Its about Hating your Neigbor without any good excuse

who's voice told the three wise men to stop by the palace an mock Herod, who's voice told Herod hear, send an army out and destroy every child under two years? and bring the baby in...
who's voice told the disciple john to preach hate.

Jhn 7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
Jhn 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.


Act 12:1

Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church.
Act 12:2
And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
Act 12:3
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) the next easter....

not all jews were pleased..only moses House, which hated the House of David, and Moses House caused problems for 3000 years with the the promise to seize the estate threw their migrated Father Abraham...after being exiled to egypt, moses lead them back to seize the estate a second time from Davids dependents. the roman empire took advantage to the two houses in conflict...an conquered the estate....drawing lines in the sand with sticks failed...and the roman empire gov.. made an alliance with moses house to split the spoil....the temple gold went to rome. an Moses house rules...turning every stone and destroyed every memory of Davids house.
 
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Charity

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It's a matter of pride and control. It hurts the pride of Biblical idolitrors to learn more or abandon the errors of the holy men.

migration of attitude has completely spoiled life on earth, allowing negitive thoughts/voices... demanding they must attack all freedom of others....those that believe as they do.
 

Aimiel

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Its about Hating your Neigbor without any good excuse

who's voice told the three wise men to stop by the palace an mock Herod, who's voice told Herod hear, send an army out and destroy every child under two years? and bring the baby in...
who's voice told the disciple john to preach hate.
Jesus led the wise men: with Astrology. Herod listened to familiar spirits
John heard directly from The Lord. One who hates his brother doesn't need an excuse, he hates everyone. Are you agreeing that Christians hear Jesus' Voice or not?
 
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Origen's of the name Yahweh



DEITY CONCEPTS AMONG THE SEMITES



96:1.1 "The early Semites regarded everything as being indwelt by a spirit. There were spirits of the animal and vegetable worlds; annual spirits, the lord of progeny; spirits of fire, water, and air; a veritable pantheon of spirits to be feared and worshiped. And the teaching of Melchizedek regarding a Universal Creator never fully destroyed the belief in these subordinate spirits or nature gods.

96:1.2 The progress of the Hebrews from polytheism through henotheism to monotheism was not an unbroken and continuous conceptual development. They experienced many retrogressions in the evolution of their Deity concepts, while during any one epoch there existed varying ideas of God among different groups of Semite believers. From time to time numerous terms were applied to their concepts of God, and in order to prevent confusion these various Deity titles will be defined as they pertain to the evolution of Jewish theology:


96:1.3 1. Yahweh was the god of the southern Palestinian tribes, who associated this concept of deity with Mount Horeb, the Sinai volcano. Yahweh was merely one of the hundreds and thousands of nature gods which held the attention and claimed the worship of the Semitic tribes and peoples.

96:1.4 2. El Elyon. For centuries after Melchizedek's sojourn at Salem his doctrine of Deity persisted in various versions but was generally connoted by the term El Elyon, the Most High God of heaven. Many Semites, including the immediate descendants of Abraham, at various times worshiped both Yahweh and El Elyon.

96:1.5 3. El Shaddai. It is difficult to explain what El Shaddai stood for. This idea of God was a composite derived from the teachings of Amenemope's Book of Wisdom modified by Ikhnaton's doctrine of Aton and further influenced by Melchizedek's teachings embodied in the concept of El Elyon. But as the concept of El Shaddai permeated the Hebrew mind, it became thoroughly colored with the Yahweh beliefs of the desert.

96:1.6 One of the dominant ideas of the religion of this era was the Egyptian concept of divine Providence, the teaching that material prosperity was a reward for serving El Shaddai.

96:1.7 4. El. Amid all this confusion of terminology and haziness of concept, many devout believers sincerely endeavored to worship all of these evolving ideas of divinity, and there grew up the practice of referring to this composite Deity as El. And this term included still other of the Bedouin nature gods.

96:1.8 5. Elohim. In Kish and Ur there long persisted Sumerian-Chaldean groups who taught a three-in-one God concept founded on the traditions of the days of Adam and Melchizedek. This doctrine was carried to Egypt, where this Trinity was worshiped under the name of Elohim, or in the singular as Eloah. The philosophic circles of Egypt and later Alexandrian teachers of Hebraic extraction taught this unity of pluralistic Gods, and many of Moses' advisers at the time of the exodus believed in this Trinity. But the concept of the trinitarian Elohim never became a real part of Hebrew theology until after they had come under the political influence of the Babylonians.

96:1.9 6. Sundry names. The Semites disliked to speak the name of their Deity, and they therefore resorted to numerous appellations from time to time, such as: The Spirit of God, The Lord, The Angel of the Lord, The Almighty, The Holy One, The Most High, Adonai, The Ancient of Days, The Lord God of Israel, The Creator of heaven and Earth, Kyrios, Jah, The Lord of Hosts, and The Father in Heaven.

96:1.10Jehovah is a term which in recent times has been employed to designate the completed concept of Yahweh which finally evolved in the long Hebrews experience. But the name Jehovah did not come into use until fifteen hundred years after the times of Jesus.

96:1.11 Up to about 2000 B.C., Mount Horeb was intermittently active as a volcano, occasional eruptions occurring as late as the time of the sojourn of the Israelites in this region. The fire and smoke, together with the thunderous detonations associated with the eruptions of this volcanic mountain, all impressed and awed the Bedouins of the surrounding regions and caused them greatly to fear Yahweh. This spirit of Mount Horeb later became the god of the Hebrew Semite, and they eventually believed him to be supreme over all other gods.

96:1.12 The Canaanites had long revered Yahweh, and although many of the Kenites believed more or less in El Elyon, the supergod of the Salem religion, a majority of the Canaanites held loosely to the worship of the old tribal deities. They were hardly willing to abandon their national deities in favor of an international, not to say an interplanetary, God. They were not universal-deity minded, and therefore these tribes continued to worship their tribal deities, including Yahweh and the silver and golden calves which symbolized the Bedouin herders' concept of the spirit of the Sinai volcano.

96:1.13 The Syrians, while worshiping their gods, also believed in Yahweh of the Hebrews, for their prophets said to the Syrian king: "Their gods are gods of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them on the plain, and surely we shall be stronger than they."

96:1.14 As man advances in culture, the lesser gods are subordinated to a supreme deity; the great Jove persists only as an exclamation. The monotheists keep their subordinate gods as spirits, demons, fates, Nereids, fairies, brownies, dwarfs, banshees, and the evil eye. The Hebrews passed through henotheism and long believed in the existence of gods other than Yahweh, but they increasingly held that these foreign deities were subordinate to Yahweh. They conceded the actuality of Chemosh, god of the Amorites, but maintained that he was subordinate to Yahweh.

96:1.15 The idea of Yahweh has undergone the most extensive development of all the mortal theories of God. Its progressive evolution can only be compared with the metamorphosis of the Buddha concept in Asia, which in the end led to the concept of the Universal Absolute even as the Yahweh concept finally led to the idea of the Universal Father. But as a matter of historic fact, it should be understood that, while the Jews thus changed their views of Deity from the tribal god of Mount Horeb to the loving and merciful Creator Father of later times, they did not change his name; they continued all the way along to call this evolving concept of Deity, Yahweh." UB 1955
 
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