ECT The NT Church began at Pentecost.

[SaulToPaul 2]

There's no difference. Madists just hate giving, that's all.

Do you give a lot?

 

[andyc]

Do you give a lot?

2Cor 9:7

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Jesus told His disciples to sell ALL that they had.

This is why Peter could say that he and his fellow apostles had FORSAKEN ALL.

Mat 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
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Yep, tribulation context, all we have to do is leave it alone and it makes perfect sense. No need to massage it into "giving generously".

Buying and selling during the tribulation would be dangerous for their souls. They were preparing for it, as the LORD instructed them.

 

[Right Divider]

1 Timothy 6:17-19 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

2Cor 8:1-5
Moreover, brethren, we make known to you the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia: that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded in the riches of their liberality. For I bear witness that according to their ability, yes, and beyond their ability, they were freely willing, imploring us with much urgency that we would receive the gift and the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

There's no difference. Madists just hate giving, that's all.

I like the way that you insult people that you don't know and have no idea what our generosity is like. That's very noble of you and quite in line with Christ's teachings on the subjects of self-righteous judgement of others and giving.

Like many you are completely ignorant of the context of the time period and prophecies related to Israels coming judgement. They (Israel) were about to enter the time of Jacob's trouble.

 

[andyc]

Yep, tribulation context, all we have to do is leave it alone and it makes perfect sense. No need to massage it into "giving generously".

Buying and selling during the tribulation would be dangerous for their souls. They were preparing for it, as the LORD instructed them.

Matthew 10:10 "nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

See also Luke 10:7 & 1Cor 9:6-7

Paul actually sacrificed more, because he sustained himself at times.
Let scripture explain reasons, don't come to false conclusions.

 

[andyc]

I like the way that you insult people that you don't know and have no idea what our generosity is like. That's very noble of you and quite in line with Christ's teachings on the subjects of self-righteous judgement of others and giving.

Like many you are completely ignorant of the context of the time period and prophecies related to Israels coming judgement. They (Israel) were about to enter the time of Jacob's trouble.

You're the one boasting about not needing to give. You walked into your own pit with that one.
Jacob's trouble has nothing to do with giving. You're just clutching at anything coming into your head. It's the mad way.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Matthew 10:10 "nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

See also Luke 10:7 & 1Cor 9:6-7

Paul actually sacrificed more, because he sustained himself at times.
Let scripture explain reasons, don't come to false conclusions.

Why don't you follow this as you "keep" the Great Commission?

 

[DAN P]

The feast days of Israel prove the church began at Pentecost.

There is nothing in the feast days indication Paul began anything.

but he did continue in what was started at Pentecost and taught the same gospel.

Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

as it was on the day of Pentecost for the 3000, the members of Christ's Church--

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

(Then totaling 3120)

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

LA

Hi and when are you going to produce a verse where it OVER RIDES the coming of the Holy Spirit ?

Were there to WAIT for the Coming of the Holy Spirit that will Empower them with the POWER of the Holy Spirit OR to wait for the Body of Christ which is NOT mentioned in Acts 2 !!:crackup::crackup:

dan p

 

[Right Divider]

Matthew 10:10 "nor bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor staffs; for a worker is worthy of his food.

See also Luke 10:7 & 1Cor 9:6-7

Paul actually sacrificed more, because he sustained himself at times.
Let scripture explain reasons, don't come to false conclusions.

And yet, later, the Lord changes that command.

Luk 22:35-36 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. (36) Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.​

 

[andyc]

Why don't you follow this as you "keep" the Great Commission?

If I was a full time minister, I would.

 

[Right Divider]

You're the one boasting about not needing to give. You walked into your own pit with that one.
Jacob's trouble has nothing to do with giving. You're just clutching at anything coming into your head. It's the mad way.

Where did I say that? You are a liar.

 

[andyc]

Where did I say that? You are a liar.

When the scriptures start flowing, the backpedaling begins. It's the same every time.

 

[Right Divider]

When the scriptures start flowing, the backpedaling begins. It's the same every time.

You are a liar. Produce the post where I said that or show yourself for the lying coward that you are.

 

[andyc]

You are a liar. Produce the post where I said that or show yourself for the lying coward that you are.

The obvious conclusion is that it should be everyone's desire to give. Even give everything if God purposes it. The fact that you are boasting about not having to, reveals one of two things.

You're wrong about the legalistic side of giving where the disciples were concerned, or you personally feel glad about not having to give.

The attack shows you're in an awkward position.

 

[Right Divider]

The obvious conclusion is that it should be everyone's desire to give. Even give everything if God purposes it. The fact that you are boasting about not having to, reveals one of two things.

You're wrong about the legalistic side of giving where the disciples were concerned, or you personally feel glad about not having to give.

The attack shows you're in an awkward position.

You just continue to lie. I have NEVER said anything even remotely close to "we don't have to give" and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such a false accusation. But you are clearly without conscience and just repeat your lie over and over again to further condemn yourself.

 

[DAN P]

The feast days of Israel prove the church began at Pentecost.

There is nothing in the feast days indication Paul began anything.

but he did continue in what was started at Pentecost and taught the same gospel.

Hi , and the above statement is LOTS LOL , since the context is Israel you are just trying FLUMMERY and a lot of Acts 2 people have it too !!
If you believe that Paul also taught what the 12 taught , than Acts 15:11 will be easy for all to explain what that verse means , don't you KNOW !!:chuckle::chuckle:

DAN P

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Hi , and the above statement is LOTS LOL , since the context is Israel you are just trying FLUMMERY and a lot os Acrs 2 people have it too !!
If you believe that Paul also taught what the 12 taught , than Acts 15:11 will be easy for all to explain what that verse means , don't you KNOW !!:chuckle::chuckle:

DAN P

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Hi and when are you going to produce a verse where it OVER RIDES the coming of the Holy Spirit ?

Were there to WAIT for the Coming of the Holy Spirit that will Empower them with the POWER of the Holy Spirit OR to wait for the Body of Christ which is NOT mentioned in Acts 2 !!:crackup::crackup:

dan p

MADists have invented a "body of Christ" for themselves which does not exist.

The true Body of Christ is the elect Church (not the churches, but who began the assemblies)

MAD claims Paul began this illusionary MADist body of Christ, yet it does not believe in any of the gifts of the Spirit , neither does MAD obey the Head of the true Body of Christ.

If MAD were the members of the actual body of Jesus Christ Himself,(and not the Bride which they rightly say they are not), then they would do and say exactly everything the Head commanded of it in real time and express Gods love, as it truly is.

However MAD is anti-Christ through and through.

LA

 

[Right Divider]

MADists have invented a "body of Christ" for themselves which does not exist.

No, we simply believe God when His Bible says that there is NOW ONE NEW MAN.

Eph 2:13-17 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
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The true Body of Christ is the elect Church (not the churches, but who began the assemblies)

Another made-up term that is NOT in the Bible.

MAD claims Paul began this illusionary MADist body of Christ, yet it does not believe in any of the gifts of the Spirit , neither does MAD obey the Head of the true Body of Christ.

God never called believers a "body" before you heard it from Paul. God had a elect people and that was Israel. They are a holy nation and a royal priesthood, just like the Bible says.

If MAD were the members of the actual body of Jesus Christ Himself,(and not the Bride which they rightly say they are not), then they would do and say exactly everything the Head commanded of it in real time and express Gods love, as it truly is.

If you were part of His body, you would recognize us.

However MAD is anti-Christ through and through.

Just another of your false accusations.

LA

Get saved.

 

[DAN P]

MADists have invented a "body of Christ" for themselves which does not exist.

The true Body of Christ is the elect Church (not the churches, but who began the assemblies)

MAD claims Paul began this illusionary MADist body of Christ, yet it does not believe in any of the gifts of the Spirit , neither does MAD obey the Head of the true Body of Christ.

If MAD were the members of the actual body of Jesus Christ Himself,(and not the Bride which they rightly say they are not), then they would do and say exactly everything the Head commanded of it in real time and express Gods love, as it truly is.

However MAD is anti-Christ through and through.

LA

Hi and then give your intrepretation of Matt 16:18 and what does " i will build my EKKLESIA " means as it is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE !!

Explain it please and a none answer means just BLOVIATING !!

DAN P