The origins of abiotic species

theophilus

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Thank you very much.

I am happy to exceed your expectations for "Christians."

Now, may we have YOUR comment on your article?

:)
 

gcthomas

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***You Do know science doesn't PROVE anything, right?

That is not really true. What IS true is that a scientific theory cannot be proven to be true in all conditions, since you cannot experimentally reproduce all possible conditions, although they can be proved beyond all reasonable doubt.

Proofs, though, can be made for other aspects of science, such as the deductions that if A and B are true then C is true. The presence of evidence can be proven and possibilities can be proven.

The OP was about proving the existence of a number of the necessary steps for abiogenesis. Not all the steps, and no proof that those steps were the ones actually followed. But it does prove that many of the claims of the 'it is not possible' crowd should realise that their own claim remains unproven.
 

Stripe

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But it does prove that many of the claims of the 'it is not possible' crowd should realise that their own claim remains unproven.

Can you name someone who thinks abiogenesis is impossible?
 

theophilus

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noguru,

Surely you realize that when natives encounter something they don't understand they run from it, make fun of it or eat it?

:)
 

PureX

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It's both sad and interesting how hard some people will fight, not to know something. This thread and it's link does not propose any particular solution to the long-standing question of the origin of life. It simply illuminates a small relevant chemical observation. And yet the absurdity of many of these responses is embarrassing. Or should be embarrassing to any thinking human being; because they are so absurdly unnecessary, and pointlessly defensive.

It's like seeing a group of people standing around the front end of a car, all claiming that there must be a monster inside it that 'makes the car go'. Then someone among them proposes that they open the hood and take a look, to see if they can figure out what is actually making the car go, and the rest of them freak out and start pulling their hair and falling prostrate and pounding the earth and shouting that they must NEVER actually look under that hood!

One has to wonder what all that fuss is really about. Are they really afraid the monster will jump out of the car and do … what to them? Or are they just afraid to discover that there is no monster under the hood, at all, and something else is there that they won't understand?

Prejudice and fear prior to investigation is a very strange phenomena. It seems that many of us love our ignorance so much that we loathe to dispel it by seeking knowledge of the truth. And that's not only an unhealthy way to live, it's just flat out a dishonest way to live.

Whatever the truth is about the origins of life, we should have the curiosity and the courage to seek it out. What are we so afraid of? That our ignorance will be dispelled? That our superstitions will be shown unwarranted? What kind of coward would think this is a bad thing?
 

everready

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Hadron Collider

Hadron Collider

It's both sad and interesting how hard some people will fight, not to know something. This thread and it's link does not propose any particular solution to the long-standing question of the origin of life. It simply illuminates a small relevant chemical observation. And yet the absurdity of many of these responses is embarrassing. Or should be embarrassing to any thinking human being; because they are so absurdly unnecessary, and pointlessly defensive.

It's like seeing a group of people standing around the front end of a car, all claiming that there must be a monster inside it that 'makes the car go'. Then someone among them proposes that they open the hood and take a look, to see if they can figure out what is actually making the car go, and the rest of them freak out and start pulling their hair and falling prostrate and pounding the earth and shouting that they must NEVER actually look under that hood!

One has to wonder what all that fuss is really about. Are they really afraid the monster will jump out of the car and do … what to them? Or are they just afraid to discover that there is no monster under the hood, at all, and something else is there that they won't understand?

Prejudice and fear prior to investigation is a very strange phenomena. It seems that many of us love our ignorance so much that we loathe to dispel it by seeking knowledge of the truth. And that's not only an unhealthy way to live, it's just flat out a dishonest way to live.

Whatever the truth is about the origins of life, we should have the curiosity and the courage to seek it out. What are we so afraid of? That our ignorance will be dispelled? That our superstitions will be shown unwarranted? What kind of coward would think this is a bad thing?

Looks like their about to discover something here:

A Pandora's Box

SCIENTISTS conducting a mindbending experiment at the Large Hadron Collider next week hope to connect with a PARALLEL UNIVERSE outside of our own.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...o-make-contact-with-PARALLEL-UNIVERSE-in-days

everready
 

noguru

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noguru,

Your opening salvo was "read this and comment" and "reach for the stars." As a "rule" people who post links without commenting on their link themselves usually turn out to be trolls (the behavior speaks for itself).

I know what I think about the article. I was curious what others might think also. I will comment, eventually. I do not see my comments as urgent at this point. Sorry about the confusion.

Lately I have been trying to avoid discussions with unreasonable people like Stripe. They are just children in adult bodies. And now I sense a reference to the NT as support for a smug attitude about behaving immaturely. No worries though, your behavior does not matter. All you need to do is recite the magical words your church taught you (make sure you get the order right) and you will be saved. Because that is tradition. That is some clever rationalization. It must give you a warm feeling in the pit of your stomach, kind of like a shot of whiskey. :)

At any rate, let's leave the theological discussion aside for now, please. And get on with the science.
 
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noguru

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It's both sad and interesting how hard some people will fight, not to know something. This thread and it's link does not propose any particular solution to the long-standing question of the origin of life. It simply illuminates a small relevant chemical observation. And yet the absurdity of many of these responses is embarrassing. Or should be embarrassing to any thinking human being; because they are so absurdly unnecessary, and pointlessly defensive.

It's like seeing a group of people standing around the front end of a car, all claiming that there must be a monster inside it that 'makes the car go'. Then someone among them proposes that they open the hood and take a look, to see if they can figure out what is actually making the car go, and the rest of them freak out and start pulling their hair and falling prostrate and pounding the earth and shouting that they must NEVER actually look under that hood!

One has to wonder what all that fuss is really about. Are they really afraid the monster will jump out of the car and do … what to them? Or are they just afraid to discover that there is no monster under the hood, at all, and something else is there that they won't understand?

Prejudice and fear prior to investigation is a very strange phenomena. It seems that many of us love our ignorance so much that we loathe to dispel it by seeking knowledge of the truth. And that's not only an unhealthy way to live, it's just flat out a dishonest way to live.

Whatever the truth is about the origins of life, we should have the curiosity and the courage to seek it out. What are we so afraid of? That our ignorance will be dispelled? That our superstitions will be shown unwarranted? What kind of coward would think this is a bad thing?

You hit the nail on the head with this one. Especially the bold part. Thanks.
 

noguru

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noguru

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noguru,

Surely you realize that when natives encounter something they don't understand they run from it, make fun of it or eat it?

:)

Yes, I am very aware of animal and human behavior. It has been one of my areas of study for almost half of a century. Thanks for the reminder.
 

noguru

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The article describes it with words like 'design...constructing...engineering'.
Seems like they are trying to prove ' intelligent design'.

What it really sounds like is humans setting up systems that work like funnels. Utilizing the existing qualities of nature to serve more specific ends. Like funneling a liquid which naturally flows downwards into specific containers.
 
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