The Subtility of Satan

Robert Pate

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Satan deceives through religion. If it is your desire to be like God or to know as much as God, you are a candidate to be deceived.

Adam and Eve bought the devils lie that if they ate of the tree in the midst of the garden they would be as God's knowing good from evil. Of course it was lie and caused them to lose their relationship with God and their home in the garden, Genesis 3:4-6.

It appears that Adam and Eve wanted to be like God and know as much as God. It is Satan's purpose to lead one into religion. To lead one into religion is to lead one into themselves. Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituality. It is subjective. The Gospel is not subjective, it is objective (outside of us).

The whole purpose of religion is to cause one to lose faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ and to make the Gospel of no effect. In the doctrine of Calvinism it is taught that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world. So, we must conclude that God and Jesus made a deal with the devil wherein Jesus would only atone for the sins of some, but not all. That is not the worst. The worst is predestination. God chooses some to salvation and condemns the rest to hell. That is a real faith killer. How can anyone have faith in a God such as this?

In the Catholic religion, which is highly subjective and is works based, there are a multitude of things that you must do to be saved. Catholics are busy, busy, doing their religion. Catholics are basically doing in their flesh what God has already done in Jesus Christ. They are trying to reconcile themselves to God by their works. The Eucharist is nothing more than an attempt to be like Christ. Instead of trusting in Christ they are trying to be like Christ.

The Gospel is a really, really simple message. It is so simple that many are offended by it.

All that Jesus Christ is and all that Jesus Christ has done, or will do, is ours by faith alone. That's it! Do you believe it? Not many do, they want to add something to it. In Jesus Christ we have been, sanctified, justified and redeemed, That's it! When God accepted Jesus into heaven, we were accepted in him, That's it! God now sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ", That's it! All that God requires of you is that you believe in his Son Jesus Christ, plus nothing.

Paul said to the Corinthians, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so you minds should be corrupted through the simplicity that is in Christ" 2 Corinthians 11:3.
 

boristhespider

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Interesting views , what i would certainly agree on is that the simplicity of your statement regarding the Gospel would address many issues across the globe.

Also i believe religion can be the most dangerous tool made available to people , it is in essence the ultimate weapon of mass destruction ( obviously depending how it is utilized) , i think Faith can give someone comfort and peace , but religion can easily destroy and corrupt the most decent of Men.
 

patrick jane

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Paul said to the Corinthians, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so you minds should be corrupted through the simplicity that is in Christ" 2 Corinthians 11:3.

Amen. Good thread. IT does feel amazingly good to trust in Christ and know that we are saved no matter what !!!!
 

Robert Pate

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Interesting views , what i would certainly agree on is that the simplicity of your statement regarding the Gospel would address many issues across the globe.

Also i believe religion can be the most dangerous tool made available to people , it is in essence the ultimate weapon of mass destruction ( obviously depending how it is utilized) , i think Faith can give someone comfort and peace , but religion can easily destroy and corrupt the most decent of Men.


Someone said, "Organized religion is the most dangerous thing in the world, because they can kill you in the name of God".
 

iouae

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"Know good and evil" to us today implies knowledge. In the Bible, "know" means more like "experience". Adam "knew" Eve. Christ says "I never knew you".

Satan was not offering what we today call "knowledge".
Up to that point they had only "known" good and experienced good.
The weather was good, the land was good, the fruits were good.

Satan "knew" evil when he changed from Lucifer to Satan.
He was offering the experience of making a lifestyle change which did not include obedience to God. All the seedy pleasures of today, in fact.

When Adam and Eve chose to know evil, God gave them what they wanted. Now they could experience thorns, pain in childbirth, disease, fighting, death.
 

Samie

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. . . All that God requires of you is that you believe in his Son Jesus Christ, plus nothing.

. . .
What can you say about those who died without knowing about Christ, like the children of Christian parents who die at infancy, or those who lived and died in places yet unreached by Christian missionaries?
 

iouae

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What can you say about those who died without knowing about Christ, like the children of Christian parents who die at infancy, or those who lived and died in places yet unreached by Christian missionaries?

They will be resurrected in the 8th millennium and given their chance to know the Lord. See Rev 20:5
 

patrick jane

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What can you say about those who died without knowing about Christ, like the children of Christian parents who die at infancy, or those who lived and died in places yet unreached by Christian missionaries?

This life is so temporary in relation to God's Plan. Calamity happens and it can be harsh and tragic. Terrible things happen around us and to us because of Adam and Eve's transgression, Christ is the only way.


1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV -
 

Samie

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They will be resurrected in the 8th millennium and given their chance to know the Lord. See Rev 20:5
So why did Christ say that when He comes again He will reward every man according to what he has done? See Matt 16:27; Rev 22:12

He also said that all in the graves will be resurrected. See John 5:28, 29. Dan 12:1, 2.
 

iouae

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So why did Christ say that when He comes again He will reward every man according to what he has done? See Matt 16:27; Rev 22:12

He also said that all in the graves will be resurrected. See John 5:28, 29. Dan 12:1, 2.

Christ will have come again by the 8th M. He will reward them according to what they have done, and continue to do under His rule.
All in the graves will be resurrected - I don't see the problem.
 

Samie

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Christ will have come again by the 8th M. He will reward them according to what they have done, and continue to do under His rule.
All in the graves will be resurrected - I don't see the problem.
Or just refuse to see the problem? All in the graves are resurrected and every one is rewarded at the 2nd Coming. Who remained not rewarded yet?
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Satan deceives through religion. If it is your desire to be like God or to know as much as God, you are a candidate to be deceived.

Adam and Eve bought the devils lie that if they ate of the tree in the midst of the garden they would be as God's knowing good from evil. Of course it was lie and caused them to lose their relationship with God and their home in the garden, Genesis 3:4-6.

It appears that Adam and Eve wanted to be like God and know as much as God. It is Satan's purpose to lead one into religion. To lead one into religion is to lead one into themselves. Religion is man's preoccupation with his own spirituality. It is subjective. The Gospel is not subjective, it is objective (outside of us).

The whole purpose of religion is to cause one to lose faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ and to make the Gospel of no effect. In the doctrine of Calvinism it is taught that Jesus is not the savior of the whole world. So, we must conclude that God and Jesus made a deal with the devil wherein Jesus would only atone for the sins of some, but not all. That is not the worst. The worst is predestination. God chooses some to salvation and condemns the rest to hell. That is a real faith killer. How can anyone have faith in a God such as this?

In the Catholic religion, which is highly subjective and is works based, there are a multitude of things that you must do to be saved. Catholics are busy, busy, doing their religion. Catholics are basically doing in their flesh what God has already done in Jesus Christ. They are trying to reconcile themselves to God by their works. The Eucharist is nothing more than an attempt to be like Christ. Instead of trusting in Christ they are trying to be like Christ.

The Gospel is a really, really simple message. It is so simple that many are offended by it.

All that Jesus Christ is and all that Jesus Christ has done, or will do, is ours by faith alone. That's it! Do you believe it? Not many do, they want to add something to it. In Jesus Christ we have been, sanctified, justified and redeemed, That's it! When God accepted Jesus into heaven, we were accepted in him, That's it! God now sees us as perfect and complete "In Christ", That's it! All that God requires of you is that you believe in his Son Jesus Christ, plus nothing.

Paul said to the Corinthians, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so you minds should be corrupted through the simplicity that is in Christ" 2 Corinthians 11:3.

Excellent post
 
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