ECT The Trinity and War

Jacob

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Hi and I just looked at Col 2:9 and tghe Greek word is " theotes " and it is a Transliteration , and is translated , Godhead , Deity or the state of being God !!

They like " THEOTES /DEITY " as it is really talking about the Father , Son and the Holy Spirit !

Rom 1:20 uses " THEIOTES " which can be translated Godhead !!

dan p
That does not answer the question.

The NASB is not a transliteration.

Romans 1:20 NASB - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

The word Godhead is in the KJV translated from three different Greek words and it is only translated three times (different from the NKJV). See links (click on the word) where there is the word Godhead in the following verses.

Acts 17:29 KJV - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Romans 1:20 KJV - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Colossians 2:9 KJV - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
 

THall

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Trinitarians have always been
willing to kill those that do
not believe the way they do.

Servitus?

Netherlands....1500's ??????

Council of Nicea? ??????????
 

Jacob

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Trinitarians have always been
willing to kill those that do
not believe the way they do.

Servitus?

Netherlands....1500's ??????

Council of Nicea? ??????????
Think of this:

Trinitarians for war or Trinitarians not for war.

People for war who are Trinitarians or people for war who are not Trinitarians.

People against war who are Trinitarian. People against war who are not Trinitarian.

They don't have to go together.
 

Tambora

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Trinitarians have always been
willing to kill those that do
not believe the way they do.
Fail.

I am a trinitarian, and I have never been on the prowl to kill those that are not.
 

Jacob

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Done because of necessity, not because they were eager to run into a flaming building.

Same with wars.
But saving a life in dire situation, while keeping your own, is different from taking life for whatever reason.

A lifeguard (I used to be a lifeguard) will save life (that is what he or she was trained to do, nothing else) or prevent life saving situations by safety precautions, rather than take life (which is what people in war do, end up doing, or contribute to whether by personal or greater than oneself cause or intention).
 

Squeaky

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The word Deity is not in your Bible. The word Godhead is.

NKJV "Deity" (no times) - NKJV "Godhead" (two times, or twice)

Romans 1:20 NKJV - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

Colossians 2:9 NKJV - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

NASB "Deity" (one time, or once) - NASB "Godhead" (no times)

Colossians 2:9 NASB - For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

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And the Godhead is all those who are in total agreement with the head God(Father). That would be Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
 

Jacob

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I said
And the Godhead is all those who are in total agreement with the head God(Father). That would be Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
You would be incorrect in what you have said here. I have already pointed out that in Christianity there is no head God. But now you are saying even people who are not members of the Trinity can be a part of the Godhead. Whether the members of the Trinity are all part of the Godhead is one discussion, right or wrong. But what you have said to include people, even believers who submit to God the Father, the Son (God's/His Son), and the Holy Spirit, as a part or parts of a Godhead submitted to a head God is clearly wrong.
 

Nick M

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And then even not a firefighter. But a firefighter might.

Not who would, but who wants to run into the burning building. The answer is nobody. Either you are liar or really stupid. You do this way to much on too many topics.

Have a nice day, I am done here.
 

Jacob

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Not who would, but who wants to run into the burning building. The answer is nobody. Either you are liar or really stupid. You do this way to much on too many topics.

Have a nice day, I am done here.
I am not a trained firefighter Nick M. But I have been a lifeguard and lifeguard instructor. My instinct was to help at all times, and never hurt or harm (hurting or harming never enters into a lifeguard's mindset). I don't know what this has to do with the Trinity or war or pacifism.
 

DAN P

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That does not answer the question.

The NASB is not a transliteration.
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Hi and why tire your self out , as lets look at some Transliterated words found in the Matt-Rev :

#1 , AGGELOS--- ANGEL

#2 , APOSTOLOS--APOSTLE

#3, BAPTISMA-- BAPTISM, NOUN

#4 , BAPTIZO --- BAPTIZE

#5 , ISRAEL---ISRAEL

#6, ISRAELITE----ISRAELITE

#7 , PENTECOSTE---- PENTECOST

#8, PROPHESY--- PROPHETEUO

#9 , PROPHET----PROPHERES

#10 , SATAN ---- SATAN

There are more and these are just in the book of Acts and it is obvious that the the Blue Letter bible did not help you , because at the top of the page it says if it is Translterated !!

dan p
 

Jacob

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Hi and why tire your self out , as lets look at some Transliterated words found in the Matt-Rev :

#1 , AGGELOS--- ANGEL

#2 , APOSTOLOS--APOSTLE

#3, BAPTISMA-- BAPTISM, NOUN

#4 , BAPTIZO --- BAPTIZE

#5 , ISRAEL---ISRAEL

#6, ISRAELITE----ISRAELITE

#7 , PENTECOSTE---- PENTECOST

#8, PROPHESY--- PROPHETEUO

#9 , PROPHET----PROPHERES

#10 , SATAN ---- SATAN

There are more and these are just in the book of Acts and it is obvious that the the Blue Letter bible did not help you , because at the top of the page it says if it is Translterated !!

dan p
Incorrect.

A transliteration such as with the name of God would be יְהֹוָה (or without vowel markings, I don't know why Strong's has them/some there) or yod-hey-vav-hey equals YHVH. It is God's name transliterated.
 

Jacob

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Okay.....Is someone being prevented? :confused:

Fair enough....Unfortunately I am a bit slow myself it seems as I have no idea what this has to do with my post. :AMR:
It is my basis upon which I will examine the doctrine of the Trinity, if possible.
 

Jacob

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First, a definition for the Trinity after a reminder that the word Trinity is not found in the Bible and a statement that I do not believe the Trinity was developed during the Biblical period but probably afterward.

There is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Father is God. The Father is not the Son and not the Holy Spirit.
The Son is God. The Son is not the Father and not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is God. The Holy Spirit is not the Father and the Holy Spirit is not the Son.

Does anyone agree or disagree with this definition? If you disagree how would you modify it or what definition of your own would you have to offer? If you agree would you relate it any differently if you were the one providing the definition?
 

Squeaky

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You would be incorrect in what you have said here. I have already pointed out that in Christianity there is no head God. But now you are saying even people who are not members of the Trinity can be a part of the Godhead. Whether the members of the Trinity are all part of the Godhead is one discussion, right or wrong. But what you have said to include people, even believers who submit to God the Father, the Son (God's/His Son), and the Holy Spirit, as a part or parts of a Godhead submitted to a head God is clearly wrong.

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I guess we will have to disagree then.
GODHEAD OR HEAD GOD

Rom 1:20-22
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Col 2:8-9
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
John 10:34-38
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?
35 "If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
36 "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
37 "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;
38 "but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him."
Acts 7:38-40
38 "This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,
39 "whom our fathers would not obey, but rejected. And in their hearts they turned back to Egypt,
40 "saying to Aaron, 'Make us gods to go before us; as for this Moses who brought us out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.'
Acts 17:18-25
18 Then certain Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And some said, "What does this babbler want to say?" Others said, "He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign gods," because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new doctrine is of which you speak?
20 "For you are bringing some strange things to our ears. Therefore we want to know what these things mean."
21 For all the Athenians and the foreigners who were there spent their time in nothing else but either to tell or to hear some new thing.
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;
23 "for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
1 Cor 8:5-6
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
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XXX From the beginning the people had many gods, but for Christians there is One that is Head God. That is the Father of Jesus Christ and Creator of heaven and earth and all things. And the fullness of God the Father dwells in Jesus the Son of God. So we listen and obey all that the Son-Jesus tells us about His God and our God, His Father and our Father. To be in the Godhead is to be in total agreement with God the Father. And we only have evidence of two that are in that Godhead, that is Jesus His Son, and the Holy Spirit. Another good point that I seen was that Jesus was not in the Godhead, but that the Godhead was in Jesus.

1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
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1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
(NKJ)

John 12:48-49
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
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I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
(NKJ)
xxx There are only two others that only speak Gods Word Jesus and the Holy Spirit. One God the Father and two subservients Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
 
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