toldailytopic: Is Barack Obama the worst president in US history?

[annabenedetti]

Donald J. Trump will go down as the worst president in history.

 

[Ktoyou]

Who? :noway:

 

[ok doser]

Who? :noway:

some dork anna follows on twitter :idunno:

 

[ok doser]

Donald J. Trump will go down as the worst president in history.

and he'll still be better than hillary ever would have! :banana:

 

[Tambora]

and he'll still be better than hillary ever would have! :banana:

hehe!
It's got to get Hilary's goat every time she's hears someone say that Trump was the worst candidate ever, meaning that she couldn't even beat the worst there was!!!!
People still don't get what Americans are, and what they want, and what they want to keep, and what they want to be rid of.
So they are shocked to see that we did not want a party follower, because both parties have lost the nerve it takes.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

People still don't get what Americans are, and what they want, and what they want to keep, and what they want to be rid of.

AMEN!

The fact that the good old USA was able to survive the constant attacks on her foundation by Obama and his minions just proves just how strong the country is!

God bless the USA!

 

[annabenedetti]

The fact that the good old USA was able to survive the constant attacks on her foundation by Obama and his minions just proves just how strong the country is!

It proves the sky didn't fall like the conservatives said it would.

Remember Rush Limbaugh?

“If Obama’s re-elected, it will happen. There’s no IF about this. And it’s gonna be ugly. It’s gonna be gut-wrenching, but it will happen. The country’s economy is going to collapse if Obama is re-elected. I don’t know how long: a year and a half, two years, three years.”

Limbaugh is expecting California to go belly up first, setting off a chain of financial calamities.“California is going to declare bankruptcy and you know what Obama will do? He’ll go to states like Texas or Arizona, Florida to bail them out. That’s what he’ll do, and that’s gonna precipitate this stuff. California is showing where we’re headed in every which way,” Limbaugh said.

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[Jerry Shugart]

It proves the sky didn't fall like the conservatives said it would.

Remember Rush Limbaugh?

Limbaugh had every reason to worry about the economy going belly-up.

After all, during Obama's tenure in office the national debt increased almost 100% from what it had been before he took office. The Obama administration increased the debt as much as it had increased from the beginning of the USA until he took office.

In other words, the debt of the country which had taken about 235 years to accumulate Obama matched in 8 years. That is the national nightmare which was bequeath to us by Obama.

Hopefully, the USA can fix the economy in time to avoid an economic meltdown and we are lucky that we now have Trump as President instead of the big spending Hillary Clinton!

 

[annabenedetti]

Rush was wrong. That's all. He was wrong. Chicken Little fear-mongering.

We didn't collapse, and California didn't have to be bailed out. In fact, it's doing better now under a Democrat governor.

As for the debt, Reagan started that ball rolling, and Obama inherited the rise that was accelerated under Bush.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Rush was wrong. That's all. He was wrong. Chicken Little fear-mongering.

Rush had real concerns about the economy under Obama and to say that he was only fear-mongering does not reflect the truth.

We didn't collapse...

Dont count your chickens before they hatch. If the economy is not handled right at this stage then it can indeed still collapse.

As for the debt, Reagan started that ball rolling, and Obama inherited the rise that was accelerated under Bush.

I make no excuse for Bush because he was never conservative when it involved the economy. On the other hand, when Reagan began his presidency Carter had left the economy in shambles. Reagan performed a real miracle to restore the economy to one of rapid growth. But he did have to prime the pump, so to speak.

Now if we are to recover from the mess which Obama left us Trump will have to perform a miracle and this time the economy will also need to be primed just like under Reagan.

 

[annabenedetti]

Rush had real concerns about the economy under Obama and to say that he was only fear-mongering does not reflect the truth.

Real concerns =/= predicting the collapse of the U.S., starting with California. The truth is he was wrong.

Dont count your chickens before they hatch. If the economy is not handled right at this stage then it can indeed still collapse.

Too late, the damage is done, the fear-mongering unfounded. Rush predicted collapse if Obama was reelected, and when Obama was reelected, the economy didn't collapse, California didn't go belly-up, you still have your guns and your religion.

I make no excuse for Bush because he was never conservative when it involved the economy. On the other hand, when Reagan began his presidency Carter had left the economy in shambles. Reagan performed a real miracle to restore the economy to one of rapid growth. But he did have to prime the pump, so to speak.

Prime the pump? That's a bit of a euphemism there.

Now if we are to recover from the mess which Obama left us Trump will have to perform a miracle and this time the economy will also need to be primed just like under Reagan.

So you're already excusing Trump for a future euphemism?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Too late, the damage is done, the fear-mongering unfounded.

Yes, the damage is done and it was done by Obama. And if things are not handled correctly at this point of time the damage which Obama inflicted on the economy will bring it crashing to the ground. So Obama's legacy concerning the economy hangs in the balance.

And his damage was so great that it will take a miracle worker to save it from collapse.

Rush predicted collapse if Obama was reelected, and when Obama was reelected, the economy didn't collapse, California didn't go belly-up, you still have your guns and your religion.

Don't kid yourself because it can still collapse.

Prime the pump? That's a bit of a euphemism there.

So you're already excusing Trump for a future euphemism?

When I spoke of priming the pump I was speaking about cutting back on the corporate tax rate (which will initially cause less money in the US treasury) but it will be made up when business starts booming and the actual amount of taxes paid will actually increase.

Of course no one expected a community organizer to understand that. Way above his head!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

In regard to Obama's foreign policy i cannot even imagine anyone doing worse.

Why did Obama speak of what he would do when he drew a red line and then he did nothing?

Then he pulled all of our troops out of Iraq against the advice of all of His generals and this lead to ISIS!

The places where Obama claimed victory are now all on fire!

The damage which he inflicted in his foreign policy was even worse than the damage which he inflicted on the economy.

 

[annabenedetti]

Yes, the damage is done and it was done by Obama. And if things are not handled correctly at this point of time the damage which Obama inflicted on the economy will bring it crashing to the ground. So Obama's legacy concerning the economy hangs in the balance.

And his damage was so great that it will take a miracle worker to save it from collapse.

We're talking about Rush's prediction, and his prediction was wrong. No "it could still happen" can alter the fact that Rush was wrong, and Obama has served out his term and we have not collapsed. Rush doesn't get a time extension here.

When I spoke of priming the pump I was speaking about cutting back on the corporate tax rate (which will initially cause less money in the US treasury) but it will be made up when business starts booming and the actual amount of taxes paid will actually increase.

Of course no one expected a community organizer to understand that. Way above his head!

"Priming the pump" is a euphemism for "increasing the deficit."

 

[ok doser]

We're talking about Rush's prediction, and his prediction was wrong.

rush gave himself an out: "I don’t know how long"

 

[annabenedetti]

In regard to Obama's foreign policy i cannot even imagine anyone doing worse.

Why did Obama speak of what he would do when he drew a red line and then he did nothing?

Then he pulled all of our troops out of Iraq against the advice of all of His generals and this lead to ISIS!

The places where Obama claimed victory are now all on fire!

The damage which he inflicted in his foreign policy was even worse than the damage which he inflicted on the economy.

Our meddling in the Middle East led to ISIS.

GW was far worse, because we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. After the lives lost or maimed, both military and civilian, the regions destabilized, diplomacy squandered, the trillions spent on war instead of on infrastructure, education, and other more worthy expenditures - all that and more was much, much worse.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

We're talking about Rush's prediction, and his prediction was wrong. No "it could still happen" can alter the fact that Rush was wrong, and Obama has served out his term and we have not collapsed. Rush doesn't get a time extension here.

Big deal! Rush was wrong and Obama said we could keep our doctor and our health plan! You worry about Rush but your worry should have been directed at Obama.

"Priming the pump" is a euphemism for "increasing the deficit."

Why do you worry about that now since you seem perfectly happy about the huge increase to the deficit under Obama?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Our meddling in the Middle East led to ISIS.

Are you referring to the meddling to which Hillary gave her support?

GW was far worse, because we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. After the lives lost or maimed, both military and civilian, the regions destabilized, diplomacy squandered, the trillions spent on war instead of on infrastructure, education, and other more worthy expenditures - all that and more was much, much worse.

What was far worse was the fact that Obama pulled out of Iraq against the advice of his own generals and as a result all of the sacrifices of our brave men were for nothing.

 

[annabenedetti]

Big deal! Rush was wrong and Obama said we could keep our doctor and our health plan!

Whew! Glad we finally got that cleared up!

Are you referring to the meddling to which Hillary gave her support?

The meddling began decades before GW opened the floodgates with the support of all those who voted for war, including Hillary and quite a few militant evangelicals who saw it as another crusade.

What was far worse was the fact that Obama pulled out of Iraq against the advice of his own generals and as a result all of the sacrifices of our brave men were for nothing.

They would still be with us whole and alive if they hadn't been sent "for nothing" in the first place.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Whew! Glad we finally got that cleared up!

I'll bet you are. Victories for you and the rest of the liberals have been hard to come by lately so I imagine that any little thing at all for which you can claim victory seems momentous. On the other hand, us conservatives can hardly keep up with all of our victories, starting with their control in many states all the way up the the Presidency and the US Senate and House. And soon total control of the Supreme Court!

That is the real Obama legacy!

The meddling began decades before GW opened the floodgates with the support of all those who voted for war, including Hillary and quite a few militant evangelicals who saw it as another crusade.

I don't think that war would have ever happened without the events of nine eleven. Do you?

They would still be with us whole and alive if they hadn't been sent "for nothing" in the first place.

There were many people who really believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after nine eleven and those people also believed that those things were a real danger to the USA. After all, earlier Iraq had a huge stockpile of uranium and the USA was worried about that (after all, at that time the USA was serious about trying to control the spread of uranium, as opposed to the way that Hillary arranged to have much of the USA's supply of uranium put in Russia's hands). Even Saddam Hussein was planting false evidence about his weapons of mass destruction in an effort to scare off his enemies. That plan backfired and his false evidence lead to the war against the USA.

It is funny that Bush is so widely criticized because he tried to control the uranium which was previously in the hands of a dictator and now hardly a peep is heard about Hillary and the donation which was made to the Clinton Foundation which resulted in Russia gaining control of such a huge amount of the uranium previously controlled by the USA.

You have so much to be proud of!