genuineoriginal
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And your solution is to tax the Americans into poverty, while providing them with cheap manufactured goods from China, sending our money and jobs overseas?
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And your solution is to tax the Americans into poverty, while providing them with cheap manufactured goods from China, sending our money and jobs overseas?
Leaving off, as you noted in an aside rightly enough, his prowess as a vampire slayer, given that war did more than settle the relationship between the federal government and state, but also righted a great moral evil (that you noted in your closing) I'm going to say without reservation and speaking for a family that lost a great deal due to that war, both in blood and finance, yes.
I'm from an old Southern family that traces its lineage in part through the same line as Robert E. Lee. We have a very different oral history in my neck of the woods, but the points stand and whatever we particularly fought for we fought against an absolute moral good.
And the secondary tragedy and double wound to my South was founded in Lincoln's passing and the elevation of that second rater to his office, Southern or no.
The Berean
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What do people think of Andrew Jackson? He did fight the bankers big time (vetoed the bill to continue the charter for the 2nd National Bank of America) and paid off the national debt, the only president ever to do so. On the other hand he was no friend on the Native Americans as he enforced the Indian Removal Act.
I was just pointing out that it was foolish to set the tariff so that caused inflation and lowered American productivity. The tariff is one reason that his party lost the next election.
:thumb: Jackson is one I would think to name. I've wanted to read the book "American Lion".
But honestly I don't know enough about Presidential history to make a list. Beyond Washington being on the top list. :chuckle:
moparguy
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Best five ... erm...
Washington
Jefferson (cut the federal govt by 50%)
Coolidge (knew how to obey the 8th commandment)
Not sure on the next 2...
Worst:
Lincoln; because he was the first to really destroy the model of federalism (to try and "save it" - what nonsense)
wilson - I am embarassed to have someone like him called a "presybterian"- a total racist and a self-aggrandizing moron.
FDR - for nearly finishing the job that wilson and linconl started. At least he had the smarts to reaize that he couldn't pull his "progressive" tricks when it came to wartime production
Obama - Where to start? According to his records that he claims are legit - he was a dual citizen at birth and thus not NBC... he hates everything that was good about our founding and government as it was intended, he utterly disdains the rule of law... and appears to be a complete narcissist. He is quickly destroying what shreds are left of our constitutional republic and has virtually totally destroyed the rule of law.
Herbert Hoover - for not being what he's accused of having been - an "arch conservative" - he was nothing more than a progressive, and deepened the great depression.
TR - for signing the 16th amendment and thus putting greed and theft into our constitution. For that act alone he deserves a mighty slap.
Washington
Jefferson (cut the federal govt by 50%)
Coolidge (knew how to obey the 8th commandment)
Not sure on the next 2...
Worst:
Lincoln; because he was the first to really destroy the model of federalism (to try and "save it" - what nonsense)
wilson - I am embarassed to have someone like him called a "presybterian"- a total racist and a self-aggrandizing moron.
FDR - for nearly finishing the job that wilson and linconl started. At least he had the smarts to reaize that he couldn't pull his "progressive" tricks when it came to wartime production
Obama - Where to start? According to his records that he claims are legit - he was a dual citizen at birth and thus not NBC... he hates everything that was good about our founding and government as it was intended, he utterly disdains the rule of law... and appears to be a complete narcissist. He is quickly destroying what shreds are left of our constitutional republic and has virtually totally destroyed the rule of law.
Herbert Hoover - for not being what he's accused of having been - an "arch conservative" - he was nothing more than a progressive, and deepened the great depression.
TR - for signing the 16th amendment and thus putting greed and theft into our constitution. For that act alone he deserves a mighty slap.
Bush usually shows up on the list of worsts, but it's too early to tell. Truman and Reagan, for example, were not well-regarded by historians immediately after their administrations, but have looked better in the hindsight of history.
genuineoriginal
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That only happened because the tariff was not applied in an even manner, causing the farmers to sell their crops in a market that was undercut by foreign interests and buy equipment that was protected by tariffs.
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Churchill was a plutocrat, I do not doubt his role in rallying the British in ww2....but he made horrific blunders, when he came back in '50 he was too old and tired and ill. His whole career is pocked with mistakes, errors of judgement and not a little brutality...it was his decision to open fire upon an unarmed peaceful demonstration in Manchester...it was he who sent the "black and tans" over to Ireland to suppress the Irish "by all means neccesary" the black and tans comprised an army of prisoners to who a free pardon was given [no matter what their crimes] provided they went over to Ireland.
What Churchill had was a command of history and the ability to speak.
American society is different to British society, America is much more a meritocracy, if you have something you can go somewhere...even to the top. Here we are STILL largely divided between the working class and the privileged class.
Thatcher declared war on the working class, she will always be hated for it.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown made a great deal of good progress in breaking down the barriers between classes.
Cameron is a son of a [Thatch]er
Best:
Washington: Fathered the nation and set an example for the office that lasts to this day.
Lincoln: Like how he did it or not, permanently preserved the nation.
Jefferson: Recognized the need for continental expansion. Set an example virtually impossible to follow, although often cited.
FDR: Probably the last true enemy of the bankers to ever hold the office. One of the very few idealists. Shepherded the nation through its dark night of the soul.
Kennedy: Saved the planet from World War III. Showed poise and wisdom under pressure few men could imagine or withstand.
Worst to come...
Washington: Fathered the nation and set an example for the office that lasts to this day.
Lincoln: Like how he did it or not, permanently preserved the nation.
Jefferson: Recognized the need for continental expansion. Set an example virtually impossible to follow, although often cited.
FDR: Probably the last true enemy of the bankers to ever hold the office. One of the very few idealists. Shepherded the nation through its dark night of the soul.
Kennedy: Saved the planet from World War III. Showed poise and wisdom under pressure few men could imagine or withstand.
Worst to come...
eameece
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BEST
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. John F. Kennedy
5. Theodore Roosevelt
Honorable mentions: Barack Obama (Someone here should give him a good word), Thomas Jefferson
WORST
1. (worst) George W. Bush
2. James Buchanan
3. Warren G. Harding
4. Ronald Reagan
5. Herbert Hoover
Dishonorable mentions: Franklin Pierce, Ulysses Grant, Calvin Coolidge
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eameece
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That was Wilson
eameece
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And in the case of Reagan, the hindsight is wrong.
He and his follower GWB created the national debt that we have today.
He instituted trickle-down economics by deceiving people, and its legacy is our great recession and our huge inequality and social immobility. He is responsible for our current polarization because Republicans worship him and his stupid, crippling ideas.
His was the most corrupt administration in history, with scandals in many of his cabinet departments.
He sent weapons to Iran and used the proceeds to fund terrorists in central america, as well as selling drugs to fund them.
He waged horrible surrogate wars of terror with deathsquads in central america for no purpose, wasting our time and money.
He left 241 marines to die as sitting ducks in Lebanon, and waged a stupid war in Greneda to divert attention.
He wasted billions on useless military weapons.
His deregulations resulted in junk bond and S&L scandals and increasing levels of pollution and workplace accidents. He delayed solar energy by decades, causing global warming.
He started the trend against unions.
He gets credit for an economic boom, when in fact it was only a boom for the wealthy (no-one else benefitted), and also prolonged and deepened the recession he inherited, expanding homelessness.
He gets credit for ending the Cold War, when the Soviets merely imploded on their own.
I do give him credit for negotiating with Gorbachev when the opportunity came, and for eloquently asking him to tear down the wall. His tax reform was not bad. So, he's not last on my list then.
Reagan made a lot of mistakes. Economically, he was weak. Although he was personally honest, he trusted a lot of dishonest people. Based on actual indictments, pardons, and convictions, his was the most corrupt administration in American history.
But he did restore confidence in America through his leadership and his self-assurance. And that counts for a lot more than it seemed at the time.
But he did restore confidence in America through his leadership and his self-assurance. And that counts for a lot more than it seemed at the time.
PureX
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Wow! How could republicans NOT idolize this guy?!
Yep, Reagan was Bush's fault.
eameece
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eameece
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No, Bush was Reagan's fault. If Reagan had not chose him as Veep, we would not have had him OR his son. Even more to the point, if some Iowa caucus voters had not chosen Bush over Reagan, we would not have had either Bush.