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Gary K

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Do you know why these vaccines are EUA rather than approved?

Because the safety testing required by regulatory agencies for approval has not been done. So, anyone taking them is a guinea pig by definition. All animal safety trials were skipped and the human trials were cut down to 3 months rather than a few years. Try to deny it. These so-called vaccines were distributed in less than 1 year, and they have never before been used on human beings. This is nothing but forced medical experiments on human beings which was banned forever by the Nuremberg trials. Why? Because it is exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jews. It was recognized then as evil and it is still evil even though those laws are being ignored world wide.
 
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ok doser said:
Vaccination Progress:

AstraZeneca: banned
J&J: banned

www.cato.org

Blocking J&J and AstraZeneca Vaccines Shows the FDA Has Not Changed Its Stripes

The late Nobel Prize‐winning economist Milton Friedman explained why the incentives the FDA faces produce perverse outcomes, and why we would be better off without it.
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The layman's explanation for the objections to these vaccines by Geert Vanden Bossche and other doctors who are saying this mass vaccination program must stop is that vaccines are never administered to anyone who actually has the disease the vaccine is designed for. Why? It's simple. When a vaccine is administered there is localized inflammation and swelling from the body's immune system reaction. That's if the person doesn't currently have that disease.

So what happens if the person does have the disease? There is inflammation throughout the body. Where ever the diseased cells are found the immune system responds. So where are the viruses for the coronavirus found in the human body? The heart, the lungs, the blood stream, the liver, the kidneys, etc.... So what happens when a person with the virus is vaccinated? Their blood is affected. Their heart is affected. Their lungs are affected. And so on throughout the body. So a person who is non-symptomatic is vaccinated. What happens? Their entire body is affected and starts being attacked by their own immune system. So what are we seeing as severe issues from these vaccinations? Just think about what the news has been as far as side effects. Then you'll know why these vaccines are deadly.

This is going to get worse because in animal trials when they infected the animals with the disease after they were given the shots the animals died from their immune systems attacking their own bodies, their own organs, their blood, etc.... They were very horrendous results. That's why animal trials were skipped and they went to directly to short term human trials.
 
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chair

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ok doser said:
It's like banning a new kind of seatbelt because we've just started using these new seatbelts and all of a sudden we're seeing that an unexpectedly large number of people are getting caught in burning cars by the new seatbelt and burning to death and we're worried that that number might increase because nobody's used seatbelts like this before and the new seatbelts were never tested the way that we've always tested seatbelts in the past, they were rushed into production without being tested fully. And people burning to death is bad.

That's what it's like.
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"Unexpectedly large number"? Huh? This is an expected small number of cases. The whole thing is ridiculous.
 
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ffreeloader said:
Yeah. Why is it necessary for people like you and eider to keep on doing this? Why is it that you feel it is so necessary? Because truth isn't important to you? Because something that kills less than 1% of the population takes a lot of misinformation and propaganda to scare people into destroying their own lives over?

This is easily treated with vitamins, minerals, supplements, and a couple of meds that have been around for decades. There are no vaccines necessary. No fear required. But all you do is peddle fear.
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Because the truth is important to us, and we care about other. You are preaching dangerous nonsense, and I won't sit here quietly and not challenge it.
 
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ffreeloader said:
The layman's explanation for the objections to these vaccines by Geert Vanden Bossche and other doctors who are saying this mass vaccination program must stop is that vaccines are never administered to anyone who actually has the disease the vaccine is designed for. Why? It's simple. When a vaccine is administered there is localized inflammation and swelling from the body's immune system reaction. That's if the person doesn't currently have that disease.

So what happens if the person does have the disease? There is inflammation throughout the body. Where ever the diseased cells are found the immune system responds. So where are the viruses for the coronavirus found in the human body? The heart, the lungs, the blood stream, the liver, the kidneys, etc.... So what happens when a person with the virus is vaccinated? Their blood is affected. Their heart is affected. Their lungs are affected. And so on throughout the body. So a person who is non-symptomatic is vaccinated. What happens? Their entire body is affected and starts being attacked by their own immune system. So what are we seeing as severe issues from these vaccinations? Just think about what the news has been as far as side effects. Then you'll know why these vaccines are deadly.

This is going to get worse because in animal trials when they infected the animals with the disease after they were given the shots the animals died from their immune systems attacking their own bodies, their own organs, their blood, etc.... They were very horrendous results. That's why animal trials were skipped and they went to directly to short term human trials.
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This is garbage. Where do you find this stuff?
 
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chair said:
"Unexpectedly large number"? Huh? This is an expected small number of cases. The whole thing is ridiculous.
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Your response is what is ridiculous. These experimental untested "vaccines" have only been distributed for a very short time. Side effects can take years to fully show up.
 
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chair said:
This is garbage. Where do you find this stuff?
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I know it's a new concept for you, but it's called doing personal research. I read studies. I listen to qualified experts. I spend hundreds, if not thousands, of hours doing research. I can tell by your posts you're completely ignorant of the concept.

Too bad too. If you weren't you wouldn't post so much utter garbage.
 
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ffreeloader said:
I know it's a new concept for you, but it's called doing personal research. I read studies. I listen to qualified experts. I spend hundreds, if not thousands, of hours doing research. I can tell by your posts you're completely ignorant of the concept.

Too bad too. If you weren't you wouldn't post so much utter garbage.
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The "studies" you read are anti-vax nonsense. The hours you spend reading anti-vax propaganda isn't research- it's gullibility and confirmation bias.

My doctorate in Chemistry suggests that I am not ignorant of the concept of research. You need to exercise some critical thinking. No degree required.
 
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ok doser said:
Cite?
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Is it really so difficult to find these things out?

Although an observed-to-expected analysis performed on 8 March 2021 identified no increased risk of thromboembolic events following administration of the vaccine, further investigation is needed as these cases led to local suspensions of specific batches or the use of the vaccine itself.
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chair said:
Is it really so difficult to find these things out?
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I see "no increased risk"

You said "expected number of cases"

As a professional scientist surely you understand the value of precise language and giving a quantitative answer instead of a qualitative answer.

Give me a quantitative answer. What exactly is the expected number of cases? Be precise.
 
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chair

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ok doser said:
I see "no increased risk"

You said "expected number of cases"

As a professional scientist surely you understand the value of precise language and giving a quantitative answer instead of a qualitative answer.

Give me a quantitative answer. What exactly is the expected number of cases? Be precise.
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The "expected number of cases" are my words. I looked for the source afterwards, because you didn't. Do you think it means something else?
 
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chair said:
The "expected number of cases" are my words. I looked for the source afterwards, because you didn't. Do you think it means something else?
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So you don't have a quantitative value that they were expecting. You just accept their assessment of risk based on ....nothing?
 
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chair said:
The "studies" you read are anti-vax nonsense. The hours you spend reading anti-vax propaganda isn't research- it's gullibility and confirmation bias.

My doctorate in Chemistry suggests that I am not ignorant of the concept of research. You need to exercise some critical thinking. No degree required.
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Really? Your voice is the only valid one? That's laughable. I know of PHD's who have 20 to 30 years of vaccine design who disagree with you. I also know of PHD's that have 20,000 hours of vaccine research who disagree with you. You're just some anonymous guy on the internet who refuses to look at both sides of the question. I don't have any respect for that. That tells me you're nothing but an idealogue. A real scientist doesn't take his views and attitudes from the media.

You've quoted media reports that were obviously false. Is that something a PHD does? Your so-called credibility vanishes when you quote a media article saying there were months of animal trials done when the so-called vaccine was distributed in less than a year from it's design. Anyone who has any critical thinking skills and even a trace of knowledge about vaccine development would reject that article immediately. Not you. You quoted it as absolute truth. So, nah, you're just another left wing ideologue pushing the socialist agenda.

Do I believe you have a doctorate? Nope. You have shown no evidence of that at all.
 
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Gary K

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ok doser said:
I see "no increased risk"

You said "expected number of cases"

As a professional scientist surely you understand the value of precise language and giving a quantitative answer instead of a qualitative answer.

Give me a quantitative answer. What exactly is the expected number of cases? Be precise.
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Have you read chair's cited report? It speaks to the coagulability of the blood of someone given the vaccine. They won't tell you why the blood is being affected but the fact is this is most likely an immune response to being vaccinated while having blood borne viruses in their systems. Remember the nuns who died? They were all from the same institution, meaning they all had the same exposure to the same virus. This once again points to the danger of vaccinating someone who has the disease they are being vaccinated against. So, same strain of the disease and same response blood response from the patients.
 
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