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"To clasp the hands in prayer is the beginning of an uprising against the disorder of the world." -Karl Barth-
Re: your timelessness post: :up: "Foreknowledge" a biblical term means, literally, knows beforehand.
Isaiah 46:10 literally says 'declares the end from the beginning.

John 8:58 literally uses both the terms for 'was' regarding a time Abraham walked on the earth, but 'am' when Jesus is applied to the past. Its literal. It can't go any other direction, the 'implication that isn't there' ...is there!

How can that be an assertion? How is it not more than even a mere 'implication.' :confused: How can we carry on these conversations if no one will listen? When does it 'get' to make sense like its supposed to do? It looks clear to me,most of us. :idunno: It doesn't look like 'Greek' so why do we always get that accusation? It looks like scripture.
way 2 go
way 2 go
Rev 22:13  I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, the First and the Last.

literally God has no beginning or end but he has chosen to call himself Alpha and the Omega
my point is , it's not just what he dose but who he is
Meh, I logged in anonymous and read Clete. He hasn't changed a whit. He cannot even remember I posted substantially in the Summit Clock Experiment (with proofs). Help me out: Is debate something you really want in Bob Enyart Live? Maybe that's the problem. I just can't do threads when they get this nasty. All the things I've a problem with regarding Clete, like a self-fullfilling prophecy, he's displayed in thread, including inane posturing. Next? He tried to apply it to all of you? Well no, I don't have the same disdain for the rest of Open Theology, because the rest of you aren't this bad. However, how can this particular thread move along now? I think its best if I just delete my posts and let the mess lie. Aside from the content that should be there pro and con concerning a meaningful discussion of time, it hasn't gone that direction and I'm not pleased with my posts there either. The challenge was to discuss time. The majority of Christianity disagrees with you guys. I thought you'd like to know why. I had dug up articles but my saying 'wrong' is incredibly different than 'liar' etc. It just has become, imho, an ugly blight on TOL with that kind of talk. You laughed, but this is it: Imho, it makes him unsuitable for debate or discussions on TOL. Perhaps it'd be a good idea, especially now that I know what he's been saying, if I deleted my posts and called it a day. It just isn't worth it, for me, I don't think for you, for Jefferson, or Bob Enyart, let alone Clete or myself. -Lon
Regarding Stuu's comment you flagged about Christianity controlling people ( https://theologyonline.com/forum/politics-religion-and-the-rest/politics/2742036-here-s-why-trump-wants-us-all-to-go-back-to-work?p=2745053#post2745053 ) JR, I've heard sermons from evangelical pastors making the same claim about many preachers. I've made the same claim myself. Pastors who preach that dancing is sinful. Pastors who claim that anyone who sleeps more than 6 hours a night is being a sluggard. Pastors who preach that anyone who decides to remain single is sinning. Pastors who preach that anyone who has a glass of wine, even at a wedding, is sinning. It goes on and on and on. Control, control, control. We can't expect non-Christians, who are allowed on this forum, to act more godly than the average evangelical pastor. Which of TOL's 10 commandments do you think Stuu broke?
Unnecessarily Disruptive to who?

You've stood by and done nothing while "ok doser" has stalked me for weeks, repeatedly name-calling and mocking - all against the rules that you've refused to enforce!

I've refrained from responding in kind in the vain hope that the moderators would actually step in and bring this to an end - if "ok doser" were to stop this repeated harassment, then there would be no need to make these posts!

Perhaps posting Knight's statement throughout the Forum would be a positive step in inform the rank-and-file and serve as a warning that actions will be taken against the real disruptive individuals in this Forum who up until now have been granted immunity

I doubt that Night hand in mind that it would be the victims and not the perpetrators that would be receiving the warnings and infractions!

jgarden
Did Amiel commit blasphemy? I don't think he even came close to it. I think he was thanking God (literally).
I received your message about issues with your user account - however, your mailbox isn't taking replies. I just took a look at your account. You have made only 2 posts on the forum. You have to be registered plus for the search for new topics to become active. You have to have at least 20 posts and be on the forum for two weeks to be registered plus.
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