Because they do not respect the scientific method.
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Why are Christians embracing Evolution?
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Derf
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Yeppers! And they want science to be decided by fiat. Truth is what they say it is. Thus, a man may not be a man, or a woman a woman. A live human being in a womb is not a human being, or not alive.
What is true today, may not be true tomorrow. Science must change to fit the narrative.
I know Adam Savage said it in jest, but people have a serious case of "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
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That's leftists.
Derf
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That’s where Christians go when they stop believing truth. Not all go all the way immediately, or in the same generation, but they go.
2Ti 3:1 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
What 'sinks' Darwinism is lack of proof. For example, radiometric dating of rocks. What if not every pop is detected?
A lack of "proof," or evidence, does nothing to eliminate an idea.
Maybe I am missing the big picture but it just seems to me there are only two choices on the question of evolution. 1. God created the heavens and earth and all therein. 2. God lied and things evolved. I believe option 1.
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The point that Stripe was making is that lack of evidence is NOT proof AGAINST a theory.
Negative evidence is required and entropy is negative evidence against Darwinism.
Derf
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And
[Mat 24:24 ESV] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Any Christian that defines death as a separation would do so correctly.
When you are spiritually separated from God you are spiritual dead.
When your spirit separates from your physical body you are physically dead.
Jesus died in both ways at Calvary. (Matthew 27:46 & John 19:30)
When those who are condemned are thrown into the Lake of Fire and permanently separated from everyone for the rest of eternity, this is what the bible calls the second death, after which there will be no more death of any kind.
In no case related to human beings does death mean the cessation of existence. There are those who believe this but there isn't anything in the bible that would support such a belief.
Clete
P.S. I have no idea whatsoever how this relates in any way to a belief in evolution.
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People think the evidence looks good. Finding a lambda for carbon-14 is much easier than with rock isotopes. It's bad science used to intimidate the theists.
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Derf
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It’s unnecessary. Why would one come up with a different definition for death for humans vs everything else?
And if we use a different language in our conversation, I.e., say “dead” when we mean “still alive”, why would unbelievers listen to us when we say “6 days only means 6 days”. It’s a matter of integrity. Theistic evolutionists are merely changing the meaning of words to fit their presuppositions. Apparently that’s ok with you.
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How so?
Animals have a spirit that departs their bodies at death.
Seems like a false accusation to me.
On the contrary! It is absolutely necessary. It is, in fact, foundational to the whole of the Christian faith!
You don't understand. It isn't as though we "came up" with this definition. That is the definition. At least, that is what the bible is talking about whenever it talks about death. Right from the very beginning, when God tells Adam and Eve that they would surely die the day that they eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. On that very day, they were separated both from the Garden of God and from God Himself.
Further, all Christians believe Jesus died on the cross. He most certainly did not cease to exist.
John 10:17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Revelation 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
Do you believe that Jesus died at Calvary?
What's "okay with me" is thinking biblically and basing what I say on the truth of scripture without concern about what other might think of me. Do you think unbelievers need an excuse to reject the things we say?
Further, we do not say “dead” when we mean “still alive”. When we say "dead" we mean "dead". It isn't my fault that someone doesn't understand. It's no different than with any other word. Words almost always have a range of possible meanings and it is the context that determines the specific meaning of the word. If someone has an objection such as "you're being inconsistent with the use of your words" then they should say so and then I'd explain it to them, which I've often done anyway because it isn't difficult to tell when someone is meaning "cease to exist" when they use the word "die".
Clete
Derf
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That’s a bit exclusive, since there are numbers of Christians that don’t believe it.
On the contrary, it’s exactly as though we came up with the definition, just as you described. The definition doesn’t apply to any other thing, and the Bible doesn’t provide that definition.
Yes, He died. And He was raised from the dead. But you’re suggesting He was separated from God the Father, right? Are you saying He’s not God? How could the one God be separated from Himself? Jesus is a special case for both views, so it is hardly the right one to help understand what happens to those who aren’t God.
Been to any funerals lately? How many of them talk about how the deceased is actually dead and their hope is in resurrection? Isn’t it all about how they are in a much better place, and are meeting Jesus face to face? Yet Paul tells us to comfort those that have lost loved ones by reminding them of the resurrection to come.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 (KJV) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:18 (KJV) Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
I agree this is tangential to the OP, but is along the same lines as redefining the words a chapter or two earlier in Genesis.
Derf
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And where do those spirits go? Are they alive somewhere waiting for new, glorified bodies? Rather “spirit” in those cases, and in ours, makes more sense as a life force, or “breath”.
Job 27:3 (KJV) All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils;
“Breath” is equated with God’s spirit, which is unlikely to just reside in your nostrils, if it’s talking about some component of humans that remains after physical death.