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But surely any Israelite reading that would think, "There's no way God can save me from hell, if even Aaron is in hell today." Do you know of any other case where God tells of a particular man's ultimate destiny (Judas excepted, perhaps)? To say the high priest can't be saved by doing what God...

By "the religion of man" you mean Calvinism, right? Because you teach that people can ONLY be saved by a special process that happens OUTSIDE of and prior to the death of Jesus Christ.

Are you really suggesting that God's grace isn't merciful enough for Aaron?

What's your point?

But what do you make of Moses and Aaron being gathered to their own, distinct people, rather than to the same people?

In the pentateuch, many of the patriarchs are described as being "gathered to his people" when they died. This "gathering" is talked about with dying, and with burying, as if it's a third part of the process. An obvious way to read this is to see it as referring to where the soul goes after...

And yet he told Thomas to touch him. [Jhn 20:27 KJV] Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. I think there are better translations of the Mary passage that say, "stop...

Both interesting topics. Maybe start some new threads. Can you show me the scripture where Jesus had a spiritual body before he was resurrected?

"Under the altar" sounds like some kind of compartment. "Spiritual bodies" only makes sense when talking about resurrected bodies. [1Co 15:42, 44 KJV] 42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: ... 44 It is sown a natural body; it is...

Because they're too busy believing the more atrocious ones.

Thanks, JR. Some of that was my doing, trying to make a point. But it definitively swerved off.

If that fly is in my ointment, it was put there by Paul. Are you suggesting there might be folks like that? Sounds like ghosts haunting places. But if that's possible, when does it happen? Paul certainly doesn't think there are bodiless ghosts in heaven, yet the resurrection hasn't happened...

Are they believers? Yes. And they're dead, right? So why are they having to stay in some compartment under the altar? And told to rest longer? My friend died a couple years ago, and at her funeral someone said she was now dancing with Jesus. Why would she be able to dance with Jesus while some...

I've heard some talk about the "soul" being the "whole person", rather than just the "inner person". Obviously there is something that is still the same about the person in the resurrection, but if the resurrection works for everybody, whether buried, burned, or dumped in the sea, what is being...

I see it because Paul talks about it. It's the state he says we don't long for, but it is something he has to address. Paul was in prison when he wrote this. You can see why he would prefer to die, calling it "gain", but was willing to stay as long as it was helpful. You can imagine, I think...

Why his spirit but not his soul? You say both go to be with the Lord (below), but it seems like the "soul" is usually regarded as the more prominent part of man, so why wouldn't Stephen say that. My answer is that he wasn't talking about a tripartite part of him, but the life that was originally...

And are you interested in finding out which one is true? Or just in promoting multicultural/relative truth, whether it is really true or not?

Didn’t God tell us through the prophets what Jesus was sent for? Isaiah 53:3-5 (KJV) 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and...

Here’s one—conveniently just a couple chapters earlier than the one you brought up about absent from the body. 2 Corinthians 3:7-9 (KJV) 7 But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of...

Well, that is part of what the thread is about. Can you give scripture that says the spirit and soul exist apart from the body? On the other part, you seem to agree with me about the “spiritual death” term being somewhat meaningless.