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And that’s what determines eternal truth, where you grew up? I guess I’m not getting your point. If hell is real, and one avoids it by believing that Jesus rose from the dead, why does it matter where you grew up?

I agree that Paul isn’t saying we are dead, Yet Paul is telling us we are separated from God IN THE SAME WAY (using the same words) that @JudgeRightly is saying that Paul is telling us that we die physically—by a separation.

Are you saying one can only think about one of your points the first time one hears it? You do yourself a disservice, Brother. Many people don’t quite understand the full import of something they hear for the first time. But it’s worth the relook, so here I go. And by the way, I addressed one...

However it happened, I’m impressed with your back yard!!

Here’s an anti-open theist article showing that God changes in some ways: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html

This is a change

So? How does that affect what I wrote? God’s change, or lack thereof, in that verse is limited to what the verse is talking about. But we know God has a relationship with us, who have not existed forever, so that’s one kind of change the verse is NOT talking about.

It’s only a lie if “change” is defined in such an absolute way that it applies to everything about God—that’s the whole point, so I’m glad you picked up on it. Once we see that it can’t apply to “everything” about God, it forces us to seek the limits of the scope of the passage, which is in...

Maybe. Or this Exodus 14:8 (KJV) And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

My version doesn’t have an Ex 17:18.

Well, not a redefinition from TheFreeDictionary.com, I agree. Surely a usage of a word that has persisted for well over a thousand years, much longer than our English language has existed, would be included in most English dictionaries. But I’m contending that it’s a redefinition from what God...

Unrelated, but it's amazing how often this subject comes up, don't you think?

Here are some more changes, @Leatherneck God’s knowledge changes: Genesis 22:12 (KJV) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me. God’s Spirit isn’t...

Isn’t that what you’re doing, following after traditions of man, when you use a single scripture, interpreted through the lens of immutability to say God changes in no way whatsoever, when God tells us all kinds of ways that He changes?

Well, God did say to “get wisdom”.

That’s what JR was trying to tell you. The two parts are related. God says he will not change in this way: “that I would consume you after I promised not to consume you.”

Then He changed by NOT saying “I change not” after He WAS saying it.

When God said it, was He saying it before He said it, or only during the time He said it? What about after God said it? Is God continually in the process of saying "I change not"? What about before he made anyone else? Who was God speaking to when He was continuously saying "I change not"? If...

On the passage that seems to say, "Absent from the body is present with the Lord." Here's the passage, with context. [2Co 5:1 KJV] For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. [2Co 5:2...

You mean death is not the same as separation?