"Dangerous job is dangerous" excuses nothing by way of police abuse of power. You seem to think a voluntary job with some risks entitles cops to abuse their authority.
Sit, Boo-Boo, sit.
17 Year Old Shot And Killed By Cop
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"Dangerous job is dangerous" excuses nothing by way of police abuse of power. You seem to think a voluntary job with some risks entitles cops to abuse their authority.
Sit, Boo-Boo, sit.
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glorydaz
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Yet you find every excuse you can not to criticize the police or call them out for brutality.
I get it: "Cops good" seems to be your motto, and "uniform=respect" is how you look at them. Maybe it's a generational thing, or something.
glorydaz
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Maybe it is. When I listened to that boy and that guy in the gas station, I was ashamed for them. People have lost all respect for authority, and we're paying the price. You see it in how our children are being raised, and the fault for that does not lie with the cops. Just as the teachers have had their hands tied behind their backs, and can't control (nor are they allowed to control) the kids in school, the same is being done with law enforcement (by a bunch of do-gooders, I might add). The inmates will rule the asylum....
I think reports say, and the footage showed, the kid was tring to record the cop and the cop was recording on his cam. Too many kids these days think everything should be on social media and try to get a minute of fame. Sometimes that fame ends in death.
We are all trying our best to navigate through a world in the grip of profound change.
Police, like the criminals they pursue, (and ourselves) have good underlying intentions. Perhaps in this case, the policeman's good intention may be to protect his life, serve his city and protect it from all crimes--real and perceived. Or maybe this particular policeman lives with a psychological issue (for example, he lives to make his mother proud of him).
In any case, this tragic and horrific occurrence does not surprise me in the least. It would only surprise me if the policeman were my best friend or the victim would be a friend or my own daughter.
We soon learn in life that we are fated to do the best we can.
No one said it was easy.
I can see that being a problem, trying to provoke or antagonize police to elicit a response, tailoring their actions to make it more explosive and video worthy for youtube. Those that do that should plainly see by now, it only ends bad or worse.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
We'll never know, but he may have simply been trying to protect himself by recording the cop.
We do know, his girlfriend already told us his intent. He was looking for a fight, and he lost.
Obviously he was slow or thinking slow, he may have smoked some weed before or after practice. I don't know for sure that he was looking for a fight with a police officer, and I haven't seen/heard the girlfriend's story yet.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
I've seen nothing from the girlfriend which would establish his intent.
The only thing I've seen is this:
MSP investigators interviewed Guilford's father and girlfriend, who both said he had been watching YouTube videos of police encounters with citizens. While he didn't express anti-police views, Lloyd's release said Guilford described the videos as examples of police violating citizens' rights.
Mocking You
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Just saw this thread and went over the news reports.
Both the cop and the kid were itching for a fight. According to his family the kid had been obsessed with YouTube videos of police actions deemed to be excessive. That's why he pulled out his phone and was recording the whole thing. That's why he was acting as a narrator. In a way, the kid wanted a controversial interaction.
As the cop was walking up to the car you can hear him say to the dispatcher, "I pulled someone over for flashing their high beams, I guarantee I didn't have my brights on." Turns out the cop had pulled over several others for the same infraction. So the cop was looking forward to taking out his frustrations over the bright headlights on someone else.
When the kid says he's recording the interactions the cop calls for backup. According to the Eaton County press release
http://www.eatoncounty.org/images/D...ney/Press_Releases/Guilford_Press_Release.pdf
the cop thought the kid was a member of a militia group and was calling for his friends to help confront the cop. So the cop is already ratcheting up his possible response. In reality the kid was calling his girlfriend and asking her to bring his wallet with driver's license.
You can see in the video that the kid is face down on the pavement. At this point the cop is saying "put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest." Then the cop pulls out the taser and tases the kid. THe report says the taser didn't quite fully work--only one barb stuck in the kid's back--because the thing was fired too close to the kid's body. The kid then gets up, faces the cop, they start tangling and then the kid tries to runs off.
The report says that Deven was sitting on the cops hips/waist off the side of the road in the snow and raining blows onto the cops face when the cop started firing his gun. If you watch the video, there is about a 10-12 second time frame between the time Deven stands up and the time the first shot is fired.
The autopsy report says that all bullets followed a downward trajectory in Deven's body and were shot from "an intermediate range" except for the head shot which was done close enough to leave soot on Deven's head. How can all shots be traveling downward if Deven was sitting on the cop's waist?
When Deven was face down on the pavement and wouldn't put his hands behind him, why didn't the cop lay a knee in the middle of Deven's back, pull his hands back there and cuff him?
So many inconsistencies and question. What a tragedy.
Both the cop and the kid were itching for a fight. According to his family the kid had been obsessed with YouTube videos of police actions deemed to be excessive. That's why he pulled out his phone and was recording the whole thing. That's why he was acting as a narrator. In a way, the kid wanted a controversial interaction.
As the cop was walking up to the car you can hear him say to the dispatcher, "I pulled someone over for flashing their high beams, I guarantee I didn't have my brights on." Turns out the cop had pulled over several others for the same infraction. So the cop was looking forward to taking out his frustrations over the bright headlights on someone else.
When the kid says he's recording the interactions the cop calls for backup. According to the Eaton County press release
http://www.eatoncounty.org/images/D...ney/Press_Releases/Guilford_Press_Release.pdf
the cop thought the kid was a member of a militia group and was calling for his friends to help confront the cop. So the cop is already ratcheting up his possible response. In reality the kid was calling his girlfriend and asking her to bring his wallet with driver's license.
You can see in the video that the kid is face down on the pavement. At this point the cop is saying "put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest." Then the cop pulls out the taser and tases the kid. THe report says the taser didn't quite fully work--only one barb stuck in the kid's back--because the thing was fired too close to the kid's body. The kid then gets up, faces the cop, they start tangling and then the kid tries to runs off.
The report says that Deven was sitting on the cops hips/waist off the side of the road in the snow and raining blows onto the cops face when the cop started firing his gun. If you watch the video, there is about a 10-12 second time frame between the time Deven stands up and the time the first shot is fired.
The autopsy report says that all bullets followed a downward trajectory in Deven's body and were shot from "an intermediate range" except for the head shot which was done close enough to leave soot on Deven's head. How can all shots be traveling downward if Deven was sitting on the cop's waist?
When Deven was face down on the pavement and wouldn't put his hands behind him, why didn't the cop lay a knee in the middle of Deven's back, pull his hands back there and cuff him?
So many inconsistencies and question. What a tragedy.
excellent MY, but I think when the cop kicked the hand and phone of the kid that's the straw that blew the kid's temper
The cop didn't kick the phone. Read the thread.
I stand by my initial reaction when seeing the video, the cop went overboard and never tried to DE-ESCALATE as he is likely trained to do. Interesting about the pre-cursors leading to the 7 shots.
yes he did. watch the video - :duh:
or don't watch and just read the article, either way you're always right