17 Year Old Shot And Killed By Cop

[annabenedetti]

Me too Anna. I know nothing will happen to the cop but I blame the officer, because the Kid is still a minor.

The cop should have received extensive training in how to interact with the community, how to deal with situations exactly like the one that led to the young driver's unnecessary death. Why did Frost feel the need to pull him over in the first place? Why was Frost so confrontational when he did? Why didn't he wait for backup before ordering the driver out? And on and on.

 

[annabenedetti]

An age he could have been made aware of if he had given him his ID... but wait... wait a minute... he didn't provide that. Should a 17 year old be given a pardon for speeding tickets or running a stop sign as well?

Let's stick to the situation that actually happened, okay?

No, it shouldn't.

Agreed.

 

[Quetzal]

Let's stick to the situation that actually happened, okay?

Sure, but that would be an interesting topic for a later time.

 

[Granite]

We live in a country where cops can

a) beat you up for being in what they considered to be the "wrong" neighborhood
b) pull you over and terrorize you and your family for the "crime" of breastfeeding
c) can kill you with impunity for no good reasons whatsoever

As I've asked before: If these things kept happening in another country, how would we good liberty-loving Americans smug with our Bill of Rights react? What would we think about a nation with this kind of track record of repeated, documented, and excused police abuse?

Put this seventeen-year-old's story in a civilized, prosperous European country, and the reaction from your Joe Schmoe on the street here is predictable. Must be describing some kind of police state. And we sure would never ever let it happen here.

Right?

 

[patrick jane]

Everyone needs to read Mocking You's posts from last night, New information that calls the cop into question even more. I'm convinced the cop is to blame for the death of a kid. All the shots had a downward trajectory, including the point blank shot to the head.


Apparently they don't train cops how to box either. Only how to operate their firearm. He couldn't even use the taser properly and never put his knee in the back to cuff the teen-age minor.

 

[Granite]

Everyone needs to read Mocking You's posts from last night, New information that calls the cop into question even more. I'm convinced the cop is to blame for the death of a kid. All the shots had a downward trajectory, including the point blank shot to the head.


Apparently they don't train cops how to box either. Only how to operate their firearm. He couldn't even use the taser properly and never put his knee in the back to cuff the teen-age minor.

I read an interesting interview on vice.com recently and will link if I can find it--a cop being honest about what the heck is going on lately. One thing he said that really stuck out was that a lot of officers out there have never been in a physical confrontation before--like, ever. Even as kids. And not being properly trained much less experienced to responding to physical force (and fearing they're incapable of prevailing in a fight), the first instinct most cops have is simply to shoot.

 

[patrick jane]

I read an interesting interview on vice.com recently and will link if I can find it--a cop being honest about what the heck is going on lately. One thing he said that really stuck out was that a lot of officers out there have never been in a physical confrontation before--like, ever. Even as kids. And not being properly trained much less experienced to responding to physical force (and fearing they're incapable of prevailing in a fight), the first instinct most cops have is simply to shoot.

that's kind of what I was alluding to. It's a physical job and they used to train and spar, getting familiar with hand to hand physical confrontation.

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[annabenedetti]

Frost later told the Sheriff's Office that Guilford looked back at him as if he was going to become aggressive, which is one of the reasons why he deployed his stun gun; sheriff’s officials said Guilford’s physical resistance, his refusal to bring his arms behind his back and how close both were to the roadway were also factors.


Because every cop knows you should use a stun gun on someone who looks at you the wrong way.

Interesting timeline commentary here:

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/...community-divided-guilford-shooting/73985862/

 

[GuySmiley]

Everyone needs to read Mocking You's posts from last night, New information that calls the cop into question even more. I'm convinced the cop is to blame for the death of a kid. All the shots had a downward trajectory, including the point blank shot to the head.


Apparently they don't train cops how to box either. Only how to operate their firearm. He couldn't even use the taser properly and never put his knee in the back to cuff the teen-age minor.

Mocking You linked to the report which corroborates the police account of the incident and says all the evidence is consistent with the cops account. How does this new information make you question even more?

 

[Granite]

Mocking You linked to the report which corroborates the police account of the incident and says all the evidence is consistent with the cops account. How does this new information make you question even more?

A downward trajectory for the shots and a head shot close enough to leave a powder burn is inconsistent with this kid straddling on the cop and beating him (which, incidentally, seems like a page straight out of the George Zimmerman playbook).

 

[GuySmiley]

After my review of the autopsy report, and after a personal consultation with the medical examiner, I am convinced that Deven Guilford's injuries are consistent with them occurring during the fight as described by Sgt. Frost. All of the bullet wounds are from close range, which is consistent with the positioning reported by Sgt. Frost. During the fight, both combatants were likely moving their arms and bodies, which explains the different bullet trajectories. None of the entrance wounds are to Deven back. No wounds were inflicted after Deven had died. None of the gunshot wounds are inconsistent with a fight as reported by Sgt. Frost.

That's on page 18. I don't see anywhere it claims all the shots are in a downward trajectory. Please quote that and tell me the page number. But for now I'll go with the prosecutor instead of you.

 

[GuySmiley]

Looking at the section detailing each shot, only 3 of the seven shots say the trajectory was downward, the others say upward or nothing. That's consistent with the quote I posted mentioning different trajectories, not all downward.

 

[Granite]

"No wounds were inflicted after Deven had died."

He was shot seven times in four seconds.

 

[ok doser]

Maybe it is. When I listened to ... that guy in the gas station, I was ashamed for them.

yep

i used to have to endure morons like that when i worked and shopped in the city


and God help you if you confront them

 

[annabenedetti]

Looking at the section detailing each shot, only 3 of the seven shots say the trajectory was downward, the others say upward or nothing. That's consistent with the quote I posted mentioning different trajectories, not all downward.

One says "steeply downward," from the entrance wound "high on his chest," to where the bullet lodged in Deven's "right lower back."

The fatal shot to the head was downward, from the "upper right front scalp" to the "back of the neck."

How are those possible, if Deven was sitting on Frost?

 

[patrick jane]

That's on page 18. I don't see anywhere it claims all the shots are in a downward trajectory. Please quote that and tell me the page number. But for now I'll go with the prosecutor instead of you.

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[ok doser]

It's victim blaming one way or another.

this victim?

I'm not dodging the question. Yes, the cop should have given the kid more leeway because of his age.

and how was he supposed to have determined his age?

from his license?

oops

"Should his resistance have been dealt with by shooting him dead? "

when he was resisting enough to cause this?

yes

 

[GuySmiley]

One says "steeply downward," from the entrance wound "high on his chest," to where the bullet lodged in Deven's "right lower back."

The fatal shot to the head was downward, from the "upper right front scalp" to the "back of the neck."

How are those possible, if Deven was sitting on Frost?

Because they weren't sitting still. Deven likely bent over at times during the fight.

 

[ok doser]

Because they weren't sitting still. Deven likely bent over at times during the fight.

i imagine he jerked around a bit while being shot

 

[patrick jane]

this victim?

and how was he supposed to have determined his age?

from his license?

oops


when he was resisting enough to cause this?

yes

Cuts and lumps look worse with dried blood and later with bruising, yeah that surely justifies murder. Stand your ground, right ?