glorydaz
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Sending nukes somewhere may very well be necessary.
I certainly don't support executing gays.
Those are two totally different things.
Are you ready to take Islam serious? Part 2.
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Sending nukes somewhere may very well be necessary.
I certainly don't support executing gays.
Those are two totally different things.
Arthur Brain
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On what reasoning? Sending a nuke attack into Mecca is completely unjustified and out of curiosity, have you ever seen "Threads"? Or even "The Day After"? Nuclear war is insane. the MAD acronym is so apt.
Fair enough on that, I didn't think that you did along with GM although the fact remains, plenty of your far right brethren do.
Sure they are although they're both extreme positions and ones that no moderate or rational person would advocate.
Barbarian observes:
Depends on which sect of Muslims they happen to be. Or maybe they just want freedom for everyone. Something like that.
Shiites are abused in Saudi Arabia and many other Sunni-majority areas. Sunnis are abused in Iran and many other Shiite-majority areas. Many Muslims are abused in areas of India. Burma is abusing their Muslim minority. Everyone abuses Sufis.
Alevis in Turkey are now facing discrimination against them by the Sunni leadership under Erdogan.
In the U.S., American Muslims are slightly less likely than Americans in general to advocate violence as a legitimate religious, social or poltical tactic.
In fact, Pew found that not only are Muslim-Americans increasingly anxious about Islamic extremism, they are also more likely than other Americans to say that violence can never be justified.
More than 8 in 10 American Muslims said they were at least somewhat concerned about global extremism in the name of Islam, a 10 percentage point increase from 2011, when Pew conducted a similar study.
Nearly 3 in 4 said there is little if any support for extremism among American Muslims. Just 6% said there is a great deal of support for it, and 11% said there is a "fair amount."
Likewise, more than 75% of American Muslims say violence can never be justified to further a religious, social or political cause. That's compared to 59% of Americans overall who said the same.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/us/pew-muslim-american-survey/index.html
So in that respect, at least, they are slightly more American than the average American. Keep in mind, American Muslims are not necessarily representative of all Muslims in the world. Many of them grew up here, accepting our culture of law and freedom, and others came here specifically because of that culture.
Depends on which sect of Muslims they happen to be. Or maybe they just want freedom for everyone. Something like that.
Shiites are abused in Saudi Arabia and many other Sunni-majority areas. Sunnis are abused in Iran and many other Shiite-majority areas. Many Muslims are abused in areas of India. Burma is abusing their Muslim minority. Everyone abuses Sufis.
Alevis in Turkey are now facing discrimination against them by the Sunni leadership under Erdogan.
In the U.S., American Muslims are slightly less likely than Americans in general to advocate violence as a legitimate religious, social or poltical tactic.
In fact, Pew found that not only are Muslim-Americans increasingly anxious about Islamic extremism, they are also more likely than other Americans to say that violence can never be justified.
More than 8 in 10 American Muslims said they were at least somewhat concerned about global extremism in the name of Islam, a 10 percentage point increase from 2011, when Pew conducted a similar study.
Nearly 3 in 4 said there is little if any support for extremism among American Muslims. Just 6% said there is a great deal of support for it, and 11% said there is a "fair amount."
Likewise, more than 75% of American Muslims say violence can never be justified to further a religious, social or political cause. That's compared to 59% of Americans overall who said the same.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/us/pew-muslim-american-survey/index.html
So in that respect, at least, they are slightly more American than the average American. Keep in mind, American Muslims are not necessarily representative of all Muslims in the world. Many of them grew up here, accepting our culture of law and freedom, and others came here specifically because of that culture.
Pretty much for the same reasons evil people everywhere abuse people of faith.
They want to force them to believe what they believe. Why do you think persecuted Muslims came to this country? Same reason my ancestors (and probably yours too) came to this country.
That's why American Muslims are less supportive of violence as a means of social, political, or religious change then most Americans are.
Greg Jennings
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I don't think you understand what nukes would do to the world
glorydaz
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Time to restart. The Supreme leader of Iran has now stood in front of the creator in judgment (his name is the Lord Jesus Christ) and it didn't go the way he planned. I mock him and laugh at his calamity. Muslims will and have already hit non-related targets that are allies to them. Sort of.
Derf
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Maybe not judged yet. that seems to come after resurrection.
The author of Hebrews (understudy of James and Peter?) said while inspired by the Holy Spirit, after death is the judgment. There are 2 judgments for all. One for believers in which Paul states to be absent from the body is present with the Lord. When we die it is determined immediately if we have eternal life or death. And those that shake his fist at him go to prison until the second resurrection. And yes, judgment to the lake of fire is after the second resurrection.
The author of Hebrews also verifies the man made Catholic doctrine of purgatory to be false. But that is a different thread.
edit: Hebrews 9 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.
I should have posted this with my comment.
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Derf
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A type of judgment occurs where God (Jesus Himself? or the Father) has to determine who to resurrect for the believer resurrection (called rapture), which Paul indicates happens at Jesus' first return. 1 Thes 4. But if only believers are included, then either non-believers are resurrected and judged unworthy or nonbelievers are judged while still in their graves, since they aren't resurrected at the time. I'm going with the second option, which means there hasn't been a "facing their creator" moment for those nonbelievers, including Iran's recently deceased ruler.
Right Divider
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Your lack of right division will always keep you confused.
The rapture is NOT the "first resurrection". The first resurrect occurs after the rapture and before the thousand year kingdom.
The rapture is NOT Jesus' "return" to the earth. We meet Him in the air.
Jesus' return to the earth comes seven years after the rapture.
The rapture is part of the mystery and not part of prophesy (i.e., the non-Pauline part of the Bible).
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I just showed him all three because of that clown Ps82. She was asking, he was there.
Derf
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Likewise.
But the rapture is "a resurrection", correct?
That seems to speak opposite Rev 20. There are some that are resurrected before the 1000 years, because "the rest of the dead" are not resurrected until after 1000 years. "The rest of the dead" only makes sense if some of "the dead" are the topic of this part of the chapter.
Revelation 20:5 KJV — But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
So you can see, if you're willing to look, that "This is the first resurrection" applies to the one described in the previous verses, not to the one after the 1000 years.
I didn't say Jesus' return was "to the earth". What dog whistle are you hearing this time?
I understand you have this need to regurgitate your theology without thinking, but you should at least consider that others might have actually read the bible without your particular blinders permanently affixed.
Right Divider
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Do you enjoy making a fool out of yourself?
Yes, but it is not what the Bible calls the "first resurrection". That "first resurrection" comes after the rapture. The mystery of Christ, including the rapture, was NOT known to the other writers of scripture (until they learned about it from Paul).
Again, your lack of right division is what is confusing you. And yet you stubbornly cling to it.
Yes, I misspoke. The first resurrection happens before the thousand year kingdom, but after the rapture.
The order is: rapture, first resurrection, second death.
Says the blind retard.
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Derf
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Thanks for clarifying.
Ok, knowing this, and going back to the original concern, which of these resurrections have already occurred? Assuming you say "None", in what non-resurrection scenarios have face-to-face-with-God judgments occurred already? Please provide scripture for you answer, as I'd like to read it.
Likewise
How are you confused by what it says?