French leftists try to assault anti-immigration protestors

[musterion]

AFTER the slaughter in Paris.

No room for doubt anymore which side the Left is on.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...sts-in-paris-following-bloody-isis-slaughter/

 

[Alate_One]

You still don't get it. Taking in Syrian refugees actually undermines ISIS' power back in Syria. Without people to control, they can't extort them for money and they have no caliphate.

Taking in immigrants is likely one of the reasons for this attack (that and French bombing runs and certain cartoons). ISIS WANTS to scare people into not taking immigrants so they're forced to stay in Syria.

Are you really so dense as to not see this?

 

[bybee]

You still don't get it. Taking in Syrian refugees actually undermines ISIS' power back in Syria. Without people to control, they can't extort them for money and they have no caliphate.

Taking in immigrants is likely one of the reasons for this attack (that and French bombing runs and certain cartoons). ISIS WANTS to scare people into not taking immigrants so they're forced to stay in Syria.

Are you really so dense as to not see this?

Are you really so dense as to believe this? Isis is sending able bodied men to infiltrate and destroy the West. Why aren't these able bodied men staying in their own countries and fighting for their own causes right there?

 

[annabenedetti]

You still don't get it. Taking in Syrian refugees actually undermines ISIS' power back in Syria. Without people to control, they can't extort them for money and they have no caliphate.

Taking in immigrants is likely one of the reasons for this attack (that and French bombing runs and certain cartoons). ISIS WANTS to scare people into not taking immigrants so they're forced to stay in Syria.

Are you really so dense as to not see this?

I read this earlier this morning:

Syrian Refugees In France Say Paris Terror Is The Terror They Fled

Some refugees say they expect a backlash against them following the attacks.

ISTANBUL — Syrians who fled a brutal war and often undertook deadly sea journeys to settle in France reacted with horror to Friday’s terror attacks in Paris, and said they recognized the enemy all too well. “Syrians left Syria in dangerous ways to live in peace, but the killers followed them to Europe,” said Moaz Shaklab, a businessman from the Syrian city of Homs who settled in France two years ago as a refugee.

The Paris attacks could spark new waves of Islamophobia in France and beyond — and with it fear of the refugees pouring into Europe from Syria and other countries. This is exactly what ISIS wants; the group has vowed to make it impossible for Muslims to exist peacefully in the West. Yet citizens in France share an ally against Islamic extremism in most refugees settling there. Many newly arrived Syrians sought to escape the terror of ISIS and other jihadi groups, in addition to the brutal campaign being waged by Bashar al-Assad.

Many worked against ISIS and other jihadi groups before leaving or have friends and family doing so now. “We’re united with the French people against terrorism,” Shaklab said. “And we don’t forget that they are united with us to get our freedom.​

 

[Quetzal]

Are you really so dense as to believe this? Isis is sending able bodied men to infiltrate and destroy the West. Why aren't these able bodied men staying in their own countries and fighting for their own causes right there?

Let's work through this. Before the Syrian refugee situation, what was to stop the attack the happened in Paris? Nothing, why? Because up until the attack the environment was exactly the same. They could have done this at any time and choose to do it after the refugees leave Syria. Don't you find that to be a little strange? What other explanation is there?

 

[Alate_One]

Are you really so dense as to believe this? Isis is sending able bodied men to infiltrate and destroy the West. Why aren't these able bodied men staying in their own countries and fighting for their own causes right there?

A few men yes. The vast majority are people that DO NOT WANT TO LIVE UNDER ISIS! They want to live in the west. That's the important takeaway. But really, you think a few terrorists can "destroy the west"? I think you have an overblown sense of their importance.

Terrorism is scary, that is true but in the scheme of things you're far more likely to be killed by lightening, bee stings, plain old gun violence and especially car crashes and heart disease.

It's horrifying, but pretending that such actions can "destroy the west" is giving these people power they did not earn.

What can really destroy the west? Pandemic disease (human or crop plant), climate change, nuclear war and asteroid impacts. Isis only destroys the west if we turn into pools of butter in the face of terrorism. Last I checked the world isn't doing that.

 

[Jefferson]

How well did mass immigration work out for the American Indians?

 

[rocketman]

You still don't get it. Taking in Syrian refugees actually undermines ISIS' power back in Syria. Without people to control, they can't extort them for money and they have no caliphate.

Taking in immigrants is likely one of the reasons for this attack (that and French bombing runs and certain cartoons). ISIS WANTS to scare people into not taking immigrants so they're forced to stay in Syria.

Are you really so dense as to not see this?

You really are a deluded moron...in light of the FACT that at least one of these ISIS terrorist came into Europe as a Syrian refugee your assertion is as stupid as it is dangerous. You liberals need to keep your psychosis to yourself, it is your unrealistic worldview that has caused this tragedy and possibly more to come, yet you continue to poison the world with your mental disorder. Leave these throwbacks in their own country to work it out, we don't need to import their troubles, we have enough of our own with the likes of progressives like you.

PARIS — At least one of the assailants in France’s worst-ever terrorist attack was a Syrian who entered Europe through Greece with a group of migrants, French and Greek authorities said Saturday, deepening fears that other terrorists have infiltrated the European Union this way.

http://www.politico.eu/article/pari...ees-isil-molins-france-syria-greece-migrants/

 

[Alate_One]

You really are a deluded moron...in light of the FACT that at least one of these ISIS terrorist came into Europe as a Syrian refugee your assertion is as stupid as it is dangerous. You liberals need to keep your psychosis to yourself, it is your unrealistic worldview that has caused this tragedy and possibly more to come, yet you continue to poison the world with your mental disorder. Leave these throwbacks in their own country to work it out, we don't need to import their troubles, we have enough of our own with the likes of progressives like you.

PARIS — At least one of the assailants in France’s worst-ever terrorist attack was a Syrian who entered Europe through Greece with a group of migrants, French and Greek authorities said Saturday, deepening fears that other terrorists have infiltrated the European Union this way.

http://www.politico.eu/article/pari...ees-isil-molins-france-syria-greece-migrants/

Oh gosh of the hundreds of thousands that have shown up, ONE person was a terrorist!

I wonder how many of the other perpetrators of this tragedy will turn out to be more on the "home grown" side.

Yep, one was apparently a French Citizen.

Any human being can be dangerous and when you have a crazy situation like the mass migrations, not everyone is going to be law abiding.

Do you stop caring for the poor because one guy turns around and steals from you?

Are you so afraid that you won't help people on the doorstep?

Again ISIS wants Europe to turn away migrants, why then would they not send a few Syrian immigrants to do this?

How well did mass immigration work out for the American Indians?

No relation to the European immigration situation today.

American Indians had a distinct technological disadvantage on European contact. They had no immunity to the host of European diseases and no technology to deal with them (neither did Europeans) thus they ended up with a tremendous population disadvantage.

Europe has some of the highest technology in the world and highest standard of living, ways of dealing with disease and civil unrest.

 

[musterion]

How well did mass immigration work out for the American Indians?

Seeing as the tribes warred, enslaved, raped and exterminated one another (and even ate one another, as the Anasazi did) before Whitey ever stepped foot here, ask the ones who heard and believed the Gospel of grace only because a white person risked going out and sharing it with them.

 

[Alate_One]

Seeing as the tribes warred, enslaved, raped and exterminated one another (and even ate one another, as the Anasazi did) before Whitey ever stepped foot here, ask the ones who heard and believed the Gospel of grace only because a white person risked going out and sharing it with them.

Cause, you know, that never happened in Europe . . . oh wait. :doh:

The difference was, Europe had been through enough raping pillaging and death for long enough that a few groups had consolidated power, creating the monarchies of the time.

Only the Inca and Aztec empires were in that situation at the time of European contact and again, they were technologically behind due to a variety of factors, mainly a lack of large domestic animals, gunpowder and metalworking.

 

[bybee]

Cause, you know, that never happened in Europe . . . oh wait. :doh:

The difference was, Europe had been through enough raping pillaging and death for long enough that a few groups had consolidated power, creating the monarchies of the time.

Only the Inca and Aztec empires were in that situation at the time of European contact and again, they were technologically behind due to a variety of factors, mainly a lack of large domestic animals, gunpowder and metalworking.

Anything but genetics?

 

[Alate_One]

Anything but genetics?

Saying "genetics" is racist. There's also the historical record of the incredible barbarism in Europe.

As a Biologist I can tell you there is not sufficient genetic difference between "races" to account for any apparent differences. There are more differences within "races" than between "races". I put races in quotes because biologically speaking, there's no distinction. Western culture puts a premium on skin pigmentation.

Watch/Read the documentary/book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond.

Guns, Germs and Steel

It's not a perfect answer, but it's an easily accessible and rational one.

 

[Quincy]

The problem is that you can't easily get background checks on these refugees, if there is even any information that can be trusted at all. Most of them are innocent people looking for asylum but terrorist organizations will exploit their plight, happily. It's a poor predicament. Either leave people to suffer or allow easy and likely infiltration of your own territory.

I'm a fix, save and/or protect your own people first and then worry about the world person, so I understand the anti-immigration protestors there. At least when it comes to this particular situation, anyways.

 

[rocketman]

Oh gosh of the hundreds of thousands that have shown up, ONE person was a terrorist!

We know that 1 of the 8 known ISIS terrorists was a refugee, given the current estimate of refugees in Europe is at 350,000 it is plausible to conclude there are more that immigrated to join or begin cells within Europe. If we take the 1 in 8 ratio that would put the number of possible terrorist that came into Europe at roughly 44,000, a sizable force to have imbedded into their societies. This is not a scenario we as Americans want or need, even if it is just one terrorist gaining access, this administration has no intention of properly vetting these people any more than he intends to secure our southern border.

I wonder how many of the other perpetrators of this tragedy will turn out to be more on the "home grown" side.

Whether they are, or are not, part of existing terrorist cells is an irrelevant factoid, what is relevant however is that Europe and it's liberal policies/tolerance regarding the enemies living amongst them are now coming to fruition.

Yep, one was apparently a French Citizen.

We have imbedded terrorist cells in America as well, your point is pointless, nor does it do anything for your case to import other country's problems into America.

Any human being can be dangerous and when you have a crazy situation like the mass migrations, not everyone is going to be law abiding.

Here is an idea :idea: How about we don't allow any of them to come to America just to be fair. We have enough immigration problems without taking on new ones.

Do you stop caring for the poor because one guy turns around and steals from you?

Poor? Is that the line you are using to pluck America's heartstrings? These people have homegrown problems which they nor the rest of the world seems willing to identify or address, it certainly is not a call for America to import their problems or their problem people.

Are you so afraid that you won't help people on the doorstep?

We are already helping 15 million + illegal immigrants at some point the door must be shut, let the Arab world take care of its own, it is their doorstep not ours.

Again ISIS wants Europe to turn away migrants, why then would they not send a few Syrian immigrants to do this?

So, is this more of your opinion, or do you have a citation to enforce this fairy tale? If this tragedy in France has accomplished anything it has hopefully squashed the notion of importing any more non-citizens from enemy regimes into this country...it is trouble we don't need.

 

[chair]

We know that 1 of the 8 known ISIS terrorists was a refugee, given the current estimate of refugees in Europe is at 350,000 it is plausible to conclude there are more that immigrated to join or begin cells within Europe. If we take the 1 in 8 ratio that would put the number of possible terrorist that came into Europe at roughly 44,000, a sizable force to have imbedded into their societies. ...

Political views aside, this is an incorrect use of math. One could plausibly claim that 1 out of 8 terrorists in Europe came in as a refugee. That is not the same as saying 1 out of 8 refugees is a terrorist- there is no data to support that idea.

 

[brewmama]

Political views aside, this is an incorrect use of math. One could plausibly claim that 1 out of 8 terrorists in Europe came in as a refugee. That is not the same as saying 1 out of 8 refugees is a terrorist- there is no data to support that idea.

Yet.

 

[Alate_One]

We know that 1 of the 8 known ISIS terrorists was a refugee, given the current estimate of refugees in Europe is at 350,000 it is plausible to conclude there are more that immigrated to join or begin cells within Europe. If we take the 1 in 8 ratio that would put the number of possible terrorist that came into Europe at roughly 44,000, a sizable force to have imbedded into their societies. This is not a scenario we as Americans want or need, even if it is just one terrorist gaining access, this administration has no intention of properly vetting these people any more than he intends to secure our southern border.

This.

Political views aside, this is an incorrect use of math. One could plausibly claim that 1 out of 8 terrorists in Europe came in as a refugee. That is not the same as saying 1 out of 8 refugees is a terrorist- there is no data to support that idea.

The number is one out of 750,000.

Here is an idea :idea: How about we don't allow any of them to come to America just to be fair. We have enough immigration problems without taking on new ones.

Why not? Because we want them to die in camps? Because we think Europe does a better job of integrating people (it doesn't)?

Poor? Is that the line you are using to pluck America's heartstrings? These people have homegrown problems which they nor the rest of the world seems willing to identify or address, it certainly is not a call for America to import their problems or their problem people.

My "line"? How poor a student of history . . .

Well you'd better get to erasing this then.

We are already helping 15 million + illegal immigrants at some point the door must be shut, let the Arab world take care of its own, it is their doorstep not ours.

They don't want to be in the Arab world or they could be. People are fleeing to Europe and the USA for a reason. They want to be here, not there.

Have you ever met anyone from Syria? I have. Not a "troublemaker" by any means but an intelligent young man furthering his education, with an educated family as well.

So, is this more of your opinion, or do you have a citation to enforce this fairy tale? If this tragedy in France has accomplished anything it has hopefully squashed the notion of importing any more non-citizens from enemy regimes into this country...it is trouble we don't need.

I've posted about this multiple times and annabenedetti posted a link also. Maybe you just ignored that post and my thread?

 

[brewmama]

This.



The number is one out of 750,000.

Why not? Because we want them to die in camps? Because we think Europe does a better job of integrating people (it doesn't)?



My "line"? How poor a student of history . . .

Well you'd better get to erasing this then.

They don't want to be in the Arab world or they could be. People are fleeing to Europe and the USA for a reason. They want to be here, not there.

Have you ever met anyone from Syria? I have. Not a "troublemaker" by any means but an intelligent young man furthering his education, with an educated family as well.


I've posted about this multiple times and annabenedetti posted a link also. Maybe you just ignored that post and my thread?

Please explain why America should become the only country in the world to refuse to enforce her own borders? (At least until the European countries lost their minds recently). And why do you ignore the history of NO IMMIGRATION for many years of the 20th century? We most certainly have never just abandoned control of who comes in and let anyone who wants to come in. It is madness and suicide, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would see.

 

[Alate_One]

Please explain why America should become the only country in the world to refuse to enforce her own borders? (At least until the European countries lost their minds recently). And why do you ignore the history of NO IMMIGRATION for many years of the 20th century? We most certainly have never just abandoned control of who comes in and let anyone who wants to come in. It is madness and suicide, as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would see.

Who is talking about "abandoning control" or not enforcing borders? Taking some refugees and abandoning everything are two different things.