Was that supposed to be "when" or "whine"?
O'Reilly is changing my mind RE "free" college...
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Was that supposed to be "when" or "whine"?
zoo22
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Absolutely. But it should be affordable for anyone with the aptitude and interest. It's a win if and when it is. Else, trade schools are golden and good wages can follow from them.
Rather, it's in everyone's interests to have available and affordable education so we all kick in a little, as we do for roads even if we aren't going to drive. And there will be a number of benefits associated with those roads and education directly and indirectly impacting our quality of life.
That doesn't make a case, except for the need for and value of a good education.
Supra.
Arguably not, once you consider who the government is in our Republic.
Christian Liberty
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Social contract theory is absurd, based on things that are objectively false. The government is a group of people. They can either engage in their God-given role of wielding the sword of justice, or they can act outside of that role. In the latter case they are no different than other humans, and that which would be sinful for other men is sinful for them to. Taking money and redistrubuting it is not part of the ministry of wielding the sword of steel.
God-given role? I thought the divine right of kings ended at democracy's doorstep?
What perks do you mean?
Except the gov't isn't proposing to run the schools, only provide assistance with the costs.
How will they influence the colleges to do that?
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republicanchick
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ha ha ha... what a "joke"
r u serious?
Golden Rule: whoever has the gold makes the rules
see above
also might want to watch something besides Beverly Hillbillies re-runs...
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The GOOD NEWS is that Canada has already adopted most of the policies that President Obama is advocating (gun control, public healthcare, paid maternal leave, stricter regulation of banks, legalized gay marriage, etc)
The BAD NEWS is that with Republican majorities in the House and the Senate few of these ideas will ever be put into practice!
Given that the average Canadian is healthier, works less and lives approximately 3 years longer than his/her American counterpart, they need to find diversions, especially during those long winter months, to prevent "cabin fever!"
:idunno: There are some requirements being put on the schools but I don't see it leading to the gov't deciding curriculum.
But they are so funny. :noid:
Does anyone know exactly how this proposal would work? Do the students pay upfront and then get reimbursed if they meet the requirements? Or is it free from the start but they have to pay if they don't meet the requirements?
PureX
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Parents with money often reward their kids for getting good grades. Why couldn't we reward poor kids for getting good grades in the same way?
So the gov't would give money to kids who do well in school?
PureX
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The government is going to foot the bill for kids living in poverty one way or another. At home, on the street, in prison, or in school. But since so much of education is for the purpose of commercial exploitation, why can't businesses foot the bill for some of it? Why can't Apple make some specially designed pop gizmos to be given to poor kids who stayed in school and got good grades … as a reward? Why can't Nike design and give out some special shoes? So that when the other kids see this, they see a very real reward for real positive actions. Maybe staying in school would become a little more "hip" when kids see the immediate rewards of it. And their friends can see it, too.
We need to quit whining about money in this country. We have made everything about money, and our lives are going to crap because of it. It's not all about money. It's about raising kids out of the cycle of poverty and crime. And that's going to mean doing for them some of the same things we do for wealthy kids. And that will take not just money, but time and effort and the willingness on our part to do whatever is necessary.
it involves tuques, chainsaws, the french language (learned by non-francophones up through the last year of secondary school and quickly forgotten), marmots and flying squirrels
i'd have rocky tell you more, but we'd probably both get banned
I know a lot of poor kids struggling to stay in college. "Not being poor anymore" seems to be a pretty good reward for them, even if they have to suffer a little to get it. What I'm worried about, is that some of them, including some pretty smart people, just can't do it, for a variety of reasons.
And we're wasting human potential at a time when we need to be more competitive than ever.
plus
the longer you keep them in school
the more likely they will vote for democrats
i must be the exception that proves the rule :idunno:
one bachelors degree in science
one masters degree in science
one masters in education
and
currently enrolled as a freshman, on a track that i plan to take to a phd :banana:
you are definitely an exception