Preaching the Gospel !

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The Gospel declares the Mystery that the True Israel of God, the House of Israel, His Chosen People, are God's Elect, the Church; which is comprised of both jews and gentiles.

You're not wrong on this part. It's just that your definitions are wrong, and you're attempting to make it sound like the above is referring to the Body of Christ, which it clearly is not talking about.

The Bible says the following:

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Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. - Romans 11:22-29 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV



In other words: Israel, the Elect Lady, is an enemy of the gospel for the sake of the Body of Christ.

In other words: Israel is not the Body of Christ.
 

Nanja

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Preaching the Gospel of Election and Predestination !

That Election and Predestination are both Gospel Truths is proven by Paul's letter to the Ephesians, the very first Chapter. In Vs 13 Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Paul states that they had become believers after that they heard[spiritual hearing] the word of Truth. Now what was the word of Truth ? It was Vs 3-11 Eph 1:3-11

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

These verses state some of the Word of Truth of the Gospel. In Vs 4 we have Election in Christ before the foundation of the world Vs we have predestinated to the adoption of Sons through Jesus Christ, Vs 6 being accepted in the Beloved to the Praise of God's Grace. Vs 7 Redemption and forgiveness through His Blood.

All that's Good News of ones Salvation by the Grace of God.


Amen Brother, God's Elect exclusively already have all these Blessings even before they come to repent and believe the Gospel.

So for them, that's Good News Indeed: To the Praise and Glory of His Grace in their Election and Predestination !
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother, God's Elect exclusively already have all these Blessings even before they come to repent and believe the Gospel.

So for them, that's Good News Indeed: To the Praise and Glory of His Grace in their Election and Predestination !

Amen Sister Thank God for your post!
 

Nanja

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There is not a doubt that Election of Grace Rom 11:5 is a foundational Gospel of God's Grace Doctrine Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

And if we believe it, we should also believe in the doctrine of reprobation, for by it God's Grace in Election shines the brighter.It is as in God's Eternal Purpose in Christ, He chose some to have mercy on, The Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23 ; Rom 11:32 for their sins through Jesus Christ, God also did choose not to have mercy on the rest of mankind and in stead chooses to deal with them in strict Justice or their sins, hence they're the vessels of wrath Rom 9:22; Job 21:30

That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

Prov 16:4

4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil [wrath]..

In the decree of reprobation, God Sovereignly determined not to charge their sins of the non elect to Christ for Him to be their Surety as He did with the Elect, whom He chose in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4. Instead they are the ones who instead of the elect, are appointed to wrath and everlasting contempt 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us[The Chosen] to wrath [as He did the Vessels of wrath], but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Dan 12:2

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


And this according to His own purpose, for their sins; to the Praise of is Glorious Justice, and their condemnation is Just, because its for their sins.


Amen Brother, these Vessels of God's Wrath were never chosen in union with Christ to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7, as were exclusive to His Vessels of Mercy.

But instead they were Eternally Reprobated, leaving them out of His Election of Grace in Christ. And the same are the ones the Lord Jesus Christ refers to as being "them that are without":

Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

And here in Matt. 23:32-33 Jesus reveals that they are Serpents: the seed of the devil, and therefore one with him. So consequently, they were predestined to hell with their father.

Prov. 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
 

Nanja

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A Spiritual Message.

1Cor 2:10-15

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

What many of the religionists of our day deny and or do not understand about the Gospel Of Christ, is that its s Spiritual Message, its not a message fitted for the carnal minded or the mind of the flesh such as Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

The Law of God in Vs 7 is not just speaking of the Moral Law, but it also pertains to the Gospel.

The word law here is the greek word nomos:

anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command

a) of any law whatsoever

1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God

a) by the observance of which is approved of God

2) a precept or injunction

3) the rule of action prescribed by reason

b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents

c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love

d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT

Believing the Gospel is a Commandment. Peter is speaking of the Gospel here 2 Pet 2:21

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

This Holy Commandment delivered is the Gospel. Paul said 1 Cor 15:1-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

That the Gospel is the Holy Commandment can be seen from the Commandment given to Believe on the 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Now, the carnal mind is not subject to the Law or Commandment of God, which is what the Gospel Message is to those who are spiritually prepared to hear and obey it.

In Salvation the Gospel is to be Obeyed Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine[Gospel] which was delivered you.

Rom 10:16

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

That's because they all were not spiritual, but carnal and could not obey the Gospel, in fact it is foolishness to them.

The Gospel Message is a Spiritual, Holy Message and can only be submitted to by a Holy Spiritual People.

Anyone claiming to obey the Gospel while in an unregenerate state is deceived.


Absolutely Brother !
 

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According to our resident "Calvinists", the preaching of the gospel is pointless. They claim that God chose people, individually, for salvation or damnation before creation and nothing changes that. Therefore, according to their own definitions, preaching the gospel does absolutely nothing.

Why do they even post in this thread?
 

Nanja

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According to our resident "Calvinists", the preaching of the gospel is pointless. They claim that God chose people, individually, for salvation or damnation before creation and nothing changes that. Therefore, according to their own definitions, preaching the gospel does absolutely nothing.

Why do they even post in this thread?


See Post #987 in this thread, Preaching the Gospel !

The Twofold purpose for preaching the Gospel !
 

Nanja

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This is post #987



Yes, that was really helpful... NOT!

Again, your "logic" is wrong and your theology is horrible.


This is post #987:

The Twofold purpose for preaching the Gospel !

March 22nd, 2017, 11:44 AM
The Twofold purpose for preaching the Gospel !


2 Cor 2:14-16


14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

Most people don't understand, but God has a duel purpose for the preaching of the Gospel throughout the World Matt 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The first primary reason is to be a witness to the saved elect, to them it's a savor of life unto life. However secondly to the lost and perishing its a savor of death unto death to add to their sins and condemnation which they justly deserved.
 

clefty

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According to our resident "Calvinists", the preaching of the gospel is pointless. They claim that God chose people, individually, for salvation or damnation before creation and nothing changes that. Therefore, according to their own definitions, preaching the gospel does absolutely nothing.

Why do they even post in this thread?

I know right?

But why would any posting from the "pre-sElected" club bother any from the "dem rulez ain't for me" club?

Poor Calvin merely continued preparing the way for yours with his own version of "dem rulez ain't for me"...poor Geneva could have greatly benefitted from your "NOT FOR ME"...

Sunday of course was:

"…in this matter we differ widely from the Jews. We do not celebrate it with most minute formality, as a ceremony by which we imagine that a spiritual mystery is typified, but we adopt it as a necessary remedy for preserving order in the Church."(Inst. 2.8.33)

Yeah, you/yours should thank Calvin not ridicule him...he just meant to have order and provide a good AM worship power hour...

I mean even God Himself had to revise and re work and "postpone the prophetic program for national Israel"

Who could have guessed His not seeing that coming?

I mean it wasn't disclosed or revealed AT ALL in the OT that what Israel received was to be for ALL...

His House being a House of prayer FOR ALL nations...right? That was a mystery...
 

Nanja

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A Spiritual Message. 3

Paul indicates that the Gospel is not a message for the Natural man here 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That same word foolishness is used to describe how the Gospel of the Cross is viewed by those perishing or in a lost state 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Now all men as natural men in the flesh are in a lost perishing state by nature, so the preaching of the cross to us while in that state is foolishness, the same as in 1 Cor 2:14, they collaborate one another.

Also if we read 1 Cor 2:2-13 that context is about the Gospel they speak.

Anyone who believes and teach that the natural man can receive or believe the Gospel in a matter of conversion are deceived and deceiving others, they have no scripture support for that.

It converts only when it is Life unto Life 2 Cor 2:16

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

The Gospel when it is preached to them that have life [spiritual] it brings that life to light 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

And its Life to those who have been ordained to Eternal Life Acts 13:48.


Thank You Brother, and Amen to this Spiritually edifying 3-part study in the scriptures: A Spiritual Message.
 

Nanja

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Amen Brother! Preaching Grace goes hand-in-hand with Preaching Election; that it was Given to the Elect Bride of Christ Eph. 1:4 before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9; and it must be Preached that it [Grace] absolutely Saves God's People from their sins Eph. 2:5 and gives them Faith in New Birth Acts 15:11.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother! Preaching Grace goes hand-in-hand with Preaching Election; that it was Given to the Elect Bride of Christ Eph. 1:4 before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9; and it must be Preached that it [Grace] absolutely Saves God's People from their sins Eph. 2:5 and gives them Faith in New Birth Acts 15:11.

That's the simple Truth Sister 😀
 

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Amen Brother! Preaching Grace goes hand-in-hand with Preaching Election; that it was Given to the Elect Bride of Christ Eph. 1:4 before the World began 2 Tim. 1:9; and it must be Preached that it [Grace] absolutely Saves God's People from their sins Eph. 2:5 and gives them Faith in New Birth Acts 15:11.

Your idea of "election" is completely BOGUS.
 
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