Prostituting TOL

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Eeset

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PTL! Grace without works isn't!

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 11:6 KJV, Titus 3:5 KJV

If we could so much as wiggle our little finger in an attempt to save ourselves by doing something; in the ages to come, God could not shew the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus!

Ephesians 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Those who believe in Jesus Christ are known by their works. It is not that works get you into heaven but rather that bad fruit does not come from a good tree.
Matthew 7:16King James Version (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
 

TulipBee

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So, that's why I ONLY give you pos-reps?

you keep your white substances when you pos rep when theology is correct while I don't neg rep you. I lose your milky white substances when you neg rep without reasons. you gain sickly deadly black substances when you neg rep without reasons. The more black you have, the longer you have to wait to get to heaven even though you might get there at the end. The more you neg rep, the less you learn and delay your entrance to Heaven.

In other words, neg repping means more suffering.

you are suffering
 

Truster

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I didn't know that.

Luther having added the word ''alone'' to his translation as in faith alone, could not abide with the teaching of works that is promoted by James. Luther had such an intense revelation of grace he felt the need to add the word 'alone' even against the advice of his friends.

Work was a four letter word to Luther and I know the feeling.

Luther also tried to remove Jude, Hebrews and Revelation.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Those who believe in Jesus Christ are known by their works. It is not that works get you into heaven but rather that bad fruit does not come from a good tree.
Matthew 7:16King James Version (KJV)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

One must recognize who Christ was speaking to. The written word
must be rightly divided. Christ came to the House of Israel, whereas,
the Apostle Paul was sent to the gentiles (us) with the Grace
message. Today, we are saved under the message that, Paul
was commissioned, by Christ, to take to the gentiles!
 

Eeset

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One must recognize who Christ was speaking to. The written word
must be rightly divided. Christ came to the House of Israel, whereas,
the Apostle Paul was sent to the gentiles (us) with the Grace
message. Today, we are saved under the message that, Paul
was commissioned, by Christ, to take to the gentiles!
Let me see if I understand you. Are you saying that God sets one standard for the Israelites and another for the Gentiles?
 

musterion

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During this dispensation of grace where salvation is through faith without works, and with God not striking dead all fakes and deceivers, fruit can be counterfeited by unbelievers and the saved can still do works of the flesh. It is no reliable guide to discerning another's spiritual condition, saved or lost. Good works are also meaningless as a guide because they can be (and are) done very well by the religious lost and the saved are not always careful to do them.

Salvation is by grace through faith, so the only way to humanly know another's status before God is to know what THEY say they believe regarding the cross. Zero judging is involved with that--its just taking them at their word.
 

Truster

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The truly converted are given a level of discernment in regard to the truth as opposed to false teaching. Otherwise they would end up on the wide road.Some are also blessed with the gift of discerning of spirits and they will send out warnings to the flock. The flock will hear the warnings while the goats just keep on feeding on anything remotely spiritual.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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During this dispensation of grace where salvation is through faith without works, and with God not striking dead all fakes and deceivers, fruit can be counterfeited. It is no reliable guide to discerning another's spiritual condition. Good works are also meaningless because they can be (and are) done very well by the religious lost.

Salvation is by grace through faith, so the only way to humanly know another's status before God is to know what THEY say they believe regarding the cross. Zero judging is involved with that--its just taking them at their word.

Very true. We must listen to their words, what they believe, and
their position on, where they stand before God. A "True Believer"
is, positioned in the "Body of Christ." They are, 'in Christ,' and
Christ is in them. They have God's GUARANTEE of forgiveness
of sin, and eternal life. They also, have assurance that, by God's
Grace, they CANNOT lose their position in Christ nor can they lose
their eternal destination. (Heaven)

The book of Revelation states that, the DEAD will be judged
according to their WORKS. However, the 'True Believers"
(those in Christ) will be rewarded or suffer loss of rewards.

However, no punishment nor judgment will they have.
Why? because they have the righteousness of Christ.
They are a member of His body of "True Believers.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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you keep your white substances when you pos rep when theology is correct while I don't neg rep you. I lose your milky white substances when you neg rep without reasons. you gain sickly deadly black substances when you neg rep without reasons. The more black you have, the longer you have to wait to get to heaven even though you might get there at the end. The more you neg rep, the less you learn and delay your entrance to Heaven.

In other words, neg repping means more suffering.

you are suffering

Man oh man? You sure take the, TOL rep system to a whole new
level. Where does it say in the Bible that, if you give your fellow
posters a TOL neg-rep, you'll have to wait awhile before entering
Heaven? Chapter and verse please?
 

chrysostom

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Man oh man? You sure take the, TOL rep system to a whole new
level. Where does it say in the Bible that, if you give your fellow
posters a TOL neg-rep, you'll have to wait awhile before entering
Heaven? Chapter and verse please?


Matthew 22:39King James Version (KJV)

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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you have to know what loving your neighbor means

Do you believe that giving someone a good old fashion TOL
neg-rep will keep you out of Heaven? Now, be honest we're
talking about a genuine, TOL neg-rep. Not a rep system
created by another forum.

Please provide chapter and verse where it states, something like;
You can't enter Heaven if you give someone/anyone a genuine
TOL neg-rep. Your PROOF must contain similar words, as defined
in this post.
 
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