The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

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The Largest Swimming Pool in the World

Here is a pic of this pool, it's 3,324 ft in length (.6 of a mile). Is this pool curved or perfectly level / flat from end to end? If the water level was raised to the very top of the wall holding it in and one of the far ends of it was dropped one or two inches what would happen? A lot of water would run out of it until a new level was reached.

Now are we to believe that the ocean water next to it is slightly curved?

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Imagine a pool that's a mile long, would it be curved or flat? How much water would flow out of it if one end was dropped 8 inches? Your equation "1/100th of a percent" is a poor attempt to deceive us into thinking an 8 inch drop in a mile is not something we can measure and test.

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Dave, 3,324 feet is only 39,888 inches, less than 2/3 of a mile, which is 63360 inches.

If an 8-inch drop is imperceptible at 63,360 inches, how to you expect to see a smaller drop a drop than that at 39,888 inches away.

Dave, 8 inches of ANYTHING IS IMPERCEPTIBLE AT 63360 INCHES AWAY.

1/7920TH!

[MENTION=4980]DFT_Dave[/MENTION] Sorry, that didn't make much sense, here's is what I meant to say:

An 8-inch change in height is IMPERCEPTIBLE at 63360 inches (1 mile) away. The ratio is 1/7920.

Dave, just so you get an idea of how small that drop is, I want you to hold your arm out and put your hand horizontal at eye-level.

Now look 45 degrees downward. One mile away, that is a one mile drop. Now look back at your hand. The thickness of your fingernail is around 0.384mm. Over one mile, the amount of drop the thickness of your fingernail would cover is about 44.234 inches. less than 20% (about 18.1%) of the thickness of your fingernail is an 8 inch drop.

And yet you say you can see an 8 inch drop a mile away? It's NOT HUMANLY POSSIBLE, DAVE. Look at your fingernail. Can you even tell how thick 18.1% of the thickness of your fingernail is? To get an idea, you'd have to use a magnifying glass, and that's just to determine a rough estimate. And remember, you're holding your hand out at arms length at eye level. And again, at one mile away, the thickness of your fingernail would cover a drop of ~44.2 inches. Forget seeing an 8 inch drop, even a 44 inch drop one mile away is IMPERCEPTIBLE to the naked eye.

To answer your questions Dave, the pool is indeed curved, but the curve IS NOT PERCEPTIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.

Yes, the ocean next to the pool is indeed curved, but the curve IS NOT PERCEPTIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.

DAVE, if the water is curved around the center of the earth, then it will remain curved after finding a new level, even after the water level is lowered, because the water will still be curved around the center of the earth.

Dave, I get what you're trying to say, that if the earth was flat, a drop on the side of a completely filled pool of water would cause the water to spill out, and therefore if the earth is flat, then the oceans shouldn't be curved.

But we're not on a flat earth. We're on a globe. And gravity is pulling everything equally towards the center of the earth, and therefore water still finds it's level, but instead of the surface being flat, it's curved, because gravity is pulling every water molecule equally throughout the entire pool.

The pool would be curved if it were a mile long, or if it was 10 miles long, or if it were 10 feet long.

If 1 side were dropped 8 inches, then 8 inches of water would drop out throughout the entire pool, regardless of its size, and the water would still be curved, regardless of its size.

Dave, no one is saying that the drop isn't measurable. We're saying it's not possible to see.
 

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Wow Dave.... still not understanding SCALE and using every tactic that you can to attempt distract people from your inability.

When people design long bridges, they take the curve into account. They are smarter than you.

The pool is measurable and testable, adding .4 of a mile is not unimaginable in order to see that water does not curve over distance.

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All suspension bridge towers are build to a "true vertical" from their "foundation". It is assumed that over a curved earth the top of the tower is wider than at the base and slanted away from the other tower. There is no adjustment made in building these towers. The only adjustment one could image is that each tower is not built to a "true vertical" from their "foundation" but are built at a slant/tilt, which is nonsense.

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The pool is measurable and testable, adding .4 of a mile is not unimaginable in order to see that water does not curve over distance.
You measured and tested it... :rotfl:

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All suspension bridge towers are build to a "true vertical" from their "foundation". It is assumed that over a curved earth the top of the tower is wider than at the base and slanted away from the other tower. There is no adjustment made in building these towers. The only adjustment one could image is that each tower is not built to a "true vertical" from their "foundation" but are built at a slant/tilt, which is nonsense.

--Dave[/QUOTE]
Silly Dave.
 

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Dave, 3,324 feet is only 39,888 inches, less than 2/3 of a mile, which is 63360 inches.

If an 8-inch drop is imperceptible at 63,360 inches, how to you expect to see a smaller drop a drop than that at 39,888 inches away.

To answer your questions Dave, the pool is indeed curved, but the curve IS NOT PERCEPTIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.

Yes, the ocean next to the pool is indeed curved, but the curve IS NOT PERCEPTIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE.

DAVE, if the water is curved around the center of the earth, then it will remain curved after finding a new level, even after the water level is lowered, because the water will still be curved around the center of the earth.

Dave, I get what you're trying to say, that if the earth was flat, a drop on the side of a completely filled pool of water would cause the water to spill out, and therefore if the earth is flat, then the oceans shouldn't be curved.

But we're not on a flat earth. We're on a globe. And gravity is pulling everything equally towards the center of the earth, and therefore water still finds its level, but instead of the surface being flat, it's curved, because gravity is pulling every water molecule equally throughout the entire pool.

The pool would be curved if it were a mile long, or if it was 10 miles long, or if it were 10 feet long.

If 1 side were dropped 8 inches, then 8 inches of water would drop out throughout the entire pool, regardless of its size, and the water would still be curved, regardless of its size.

Dave, no one is saying that the drop isn't measurable. We're saying it's not possible to see.

Your argument: "Water still finds its level, but instead of the surface being flat, it's curved."

Counter argument: Level means "flat or straight, without any curvature. It's a contradiction to say water in the pool is both level/flat and yet curved.

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You measured and tested it... :rotfl:

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All suspension bridge towers are build to a "true vertical" from their "foundation". It is assumed that over a curved earth the top of the tower is wider than at the base and slanted away from the other tower. There is no adjustment made in building these towers. The only adjustment one could image is that each tower is not built to a "true vertical" from their "foundation" but are built at a slant/tilt, which is nonsense.

--Dave
Silly Dave.[/QUOTE]

Never said that I tested it. I said dropping one end of a pool by a couple of inches is how you determine what would happen if the earth were curved at 8 inch per mile. Water does not curve or hump, it spreads out to be level and what we see happening if we drop one end a large pool is proof of this.

I see you have no answer for how bridges are made.

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[MENTION=4980]DFT_Dave[/MENTION] [MENTION=16629]patrick jane[/MENTION]

Why can't we see the bottom of these towers?

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[MENTION=4980]DFT_Dave[/MENTION] [MENTION=16629]patrick jane[/MENTION]


As detailed by the folks at MinutePhysics, the horizon is one of the easiest ways to validate the Earth’s curvature. As the sun dips behind the horizon, it slips from your view in a bottom-up direction. If you watch the sunset while lying on your back, and then hop up as the last rays disappear, then you should be able to see the sunset again.

The same pattern applies to ships as they sail away — their hulls disappear from the bottom up.



Find a spot where you can see the sun setting in the horizon. Lay down. Once it dips below the horizon, stand up. Watch the sunset again. How is this possible on a flat earth?

It's mind boggling how you two are willing to spend months or even years debating this and posting video after video and meme after meme when you could easily settle this yourself in a single evening.

Why haven't either of you went through with this very simple test? :idunno:
 

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Your argument: "Water still finds its level, but instead of the surface being flat, it's curved."

Counter argument: Level means "flat or straight, without any curvature. It's a contradiction to say water in the pool is both level/flat and yet curved.

--Dave

Dave,

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(image not to scale, nor very accurate, but good enough)

The dot in the center of the circle is the center of the earth.

The lines are level in relation to the center of the earth.

Yet

The lines, if they were connected, would form a curve.

Dave, you're still not understanding the scale of the earth.

The definition of level (noun) is this:

a horizontal plane or line with respect to the distance above or below a given point.

If the earth is flat, then the water level will not curve, because it is above a plane, not a point

However, on a globe, water will find its level (the lines in the image above) around a curve (the circle), because gravity pulls on every water molecule equally down towards a single point (the dot).

The lines are level at the point they are above, but move them slightly, and they would no longer be level.

Dave, a circle and a sphere is made up of infinite points. If (let's say that the sphere has gravity) you pick any one of those points, and balance a circle on it, with the center of the circle perfectly centered on the point of the sphere, all the points on the circumference of the circle will be equidistant to the center of the sphere. Move that sphere to another point, and the circle will adjust so that it is level. Now imagine for a moment that there are point size circles centered on every point around the outside of the sphere. Every single one of them will be perfectly level (with the points on the circumference of each mini-circle equidistant to the center of the sphere), yet the surface is still curved.

That is how water works on a globe, Dave. Every point on the globe water is level, but level at one point is not level for another.
 

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I would say waves, which also explains the heavily jagged edge of where the water meets the towers in the pic.

Nope. Not unless a rogue wave or a tsunami was coming. Look at the people swimming. The waves are a only a foot or two. Meanwhile, the bottom half of the towers are covered. This would be dozens of feet that is obscured by the dip in the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.

The same effect can be seen here

here

and here

The last one was taken from [MENTION=17501]ok doser[/MENTION]'s post #16

Why can we see the top of these ships but not the bottom?

[url=http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?122230-The-earth-is-flat-and-we-never-went-to-the-moon&p=4884924&viewfull=1#post4884924]@dft_dave never responded to that one...
 

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[MENTION=3698]Tambora[/MENTION] - I'll issue the same challenge to you that I did to Dave and Jane

Find a spot where you can see the sun setting in the horizon. Lay down. Once it dips below the horizon, stand up. Watch the sunset again. How is this possible on a flat earth?
 

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@Tambora - I'll issue the same challenge to you that I did to Dave and Jane

Find a spot where you can see the sun setting in the horizon. Lay down. Once it dips below the horizon, stand up. Watch the sunset again. How is this possible on a flat earth?
I would think that any rock, or mound, or wave between you and the horizon could cause you to be able to stand up and see it again.
 

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Nope. Not unless a rogue wave or a tsunami was coming. Look at the people swimming. The waves are a only a foot or two. Meanwhile, the bottom half of the towers are covered. This would be dozens of feet that is obscured by the dip in the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.

The same effect can be seen here

here

and here

The last one was taken from @[URL="http://theologyonline.com/member.php?u=17501"]ok doser's post #16

Why can we see the top of these ships but not the bottom?

@dft_dave never responded to that one...
What towers are these, and how tall are they?
And aren't waves usually "taller" in deeper water? (I don't know, just asking as I heard that.)
 
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