The Personal Side of the Homosexual Debate

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Without exception, every single homosexual I know had been abused as children.
While I don't have much experience with them, I knew a lesbian years ago who came out of a traumatic sexual experience and into that particular. But I also have a cousin who had a great home. His parents were terrific people and his older brother is as straight as an arrow, but this cousin...let's say it was about as surprising when he came out as snow in December in Colorado.
 

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How you personally feel about homosexuality?

Neutral ... I treat them the same way I do as heterosexual depending on the individual and their character.

I don't understand the attraction. It's completely foreign to me. My own experience (as in realizing I was a heterosexual) and my interaction with homosexuals leads me to believe people are born gay.
 

Lon

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While I don't have much experience with them, I knew a lesbian years ago who came out of a traumatic sexual experience and into that particular. But I also have a cousin who had a great home. His parents were terrific people and his older brother is as straight as an arrow, but this cousin...let's say it was about as surprising when he came out as snow in December in Colorado.
Proverbs 22:6
 

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Oh no, big difference from me here! It is no matter of taste, it is a matter of the strongest human urge I have, being a sexual person, being attracted to a man.

Turn it around and it feels disgusting! I am so glad most men find in a woman with I find in a man, or life would be only a means to an end, no love, no family.

Easting is a matter of taste, I like beef better than chicken.

Kind of interesting .... the visceral responses this issue evokes. I don't quite understand it...but your explanation seems valid.
 

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Proverbs 22:6
I don't think that's about biology though. And I've known preachers kids who went a little wild for a time. :) Else, I don't know how to explain the older brother and I knew the family well in our formative years. Good people. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, only relating my experience with him doesn't line up with the abuse angle, though the girl's did.
 

glorydaz

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While I don't have much experience with them, I knew a lesbian years ago who came out of a traumatic sexual experience and into that particular. But I also have a cousin who had a great home. His parents were terrific people and his older brother is as straight as an arrow, but this cousin...let's say it was about as surprising when he came out as snow in December in Colorado.

I've had lots of experience with them, and none are really happy that I have seen....though they be "gay". They've all been adolescents trapped in adult bodies. IMO.
 

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Sounds like we're on the same page. I don't understand the attraction and I suspect at least a goodly bit of it is biologically determined. .........

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First thank for actually responding to my post on how you feel, not other reasons. Yes, same here, I cannot imagine being attracted to my own sex, there is nothing attractive there. I do see beauty in women, in truth, most women know how attractive they are, but only a few what to bug other women with their beauty, rather, it is all a an aspect to attract the best suitor possible.
I did shorten your response because I what to address only your not understanding the attraction. The reason is afterthought, not a necessary reason, or excuse.
 

glorydaz

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I don't think that's about biology though. And I've known preachers kids who went a little wild for a time. :) Else, I don't know how to explain the older brother and I knew the family well in our formative years. Good people. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, only relating my experience with him doesn't line up with the abuse angle, though the girl's did.

Of course there is not often evidence of abuse. My own sister was abused by our step dad and she didn't tell anyone until she was in her 40's.
 

Lon

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Too religious. Start your own thread under religion if your response is limited to religion.

What feelings do you, as a person, have about homosexuality?
That is the topic.
This would assume religion is tangiential rather than soaked, dyed wool.

You may only get nominal or marginal Christians submitting replies to such an artificial separation. I'm not sure If I can say that less controversially or without an admonishing tenor, but such an artificial separation isn't meaningful to a good many of us on TOL. They are both the same thing.
 

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Kind of interesting .... the visceral responses this issue evokes. I don't quite understand it...but your explanation seems valid.

Thanks. My point is not the glorification or heterosexuality, rather my own feeling as to how homosexuality would be impossible for me, even if I were abused by witches and castes spells upon.

For me, there is only two possibilities, alive and heterosexual, or dead/ bran dead and be nothing.
 

Lon

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Thanks. My point is not the glorification or heterosexuality, rather my own feeling as to how homosexuality would be impossible for me, even if I were abused by witches and castes spells upon.

For me, there is only two possibilities, alive and heterosexual, or dead/ bran dead and be nothing.
If you had a very negative placed in you, against males, at a young age, you may have built a life-long reaction. That's why we need to train children in the way they should go. I have serious problems with suggesting such is biological, especially when abuse is why some steps and -in-laws have this problem with thier children in my family.

However, without exception (none) every homosexual I know suffered child abuse (usually but not always sexual, nor always because of immediate family).
 

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Take a little kid and sexually abuse them, and you'll have your answer. I'm closely affiliated with a residential treatment center for such kids and, to them, such deviant behavior is "normal".

What causes homosexual desire?

If homosexual impulses are not inherited, what kinds of influences do cause strong homosexual desires? No one answer is acceptable to all researchers in the field. Important factors, however, seem to fall into four categories. As with so many other odd sexual proclivities, males appear especially susceptible:

1. Homosexual experience:
•any homosexual experience in childhood, especially if it is a first sexual experience or with an adult
•any homosexual contact with an adult, particularly with a relative or authority figure (in a random survey, 5% of adult homosexuals vs 0.8% of heterosexuals reported childhood sexual involvements with elementary or secondary school teachers (5).

2. Family abnormality, including the following:
•a dominant, possessive, or rejecting mother
•an absent, distant, or rejecting father
•a parent with homosexual proclivities, particularly one who molests a child of the same sex
•a sibling with homosexual tendencies, particularly one who molests a brother or sister
•the lack of a religious home environment
•divorce, which often leads to sexual problems for both the children and the adults
•parents who model unconventional sex roles
•condoning homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle– welcoming homosexuals (e.g., co-workers, friends) into the family circle

3. Unusual sexual experience, particularly in early childhood:
•precocious or excessive masturbation
•exposure to pornography in childhood
•depersonalized sex (e.g., group sex, sex with animals)
•or girls, sexual interaction with adult males

4. Cultural influences:
•a visible and socially approved homosexual sub-culture that invites curiosity and encourages exploration
•pro-homosexual sex education
•openly homosexual authority figures, such as teachers (4% of Kinsey's and 4% of FRI's gays reported that their first homosexual experience was with a teacher)
•societal and legal toleration of homosexual acts
•depictions of homosexuality as normal and/or desirable behavior
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3393262&postcount=17
 

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This would assume religion is tangiential rather than soaked, dyed wool.

I see your point. Yet hear me on this. Had you not experienced the boys all looking to the pretty girls in high school? Do Christians miss this? I did not miss it. I knew right from the start who the hunky boys were and also knew many girls felt the same. It was that time girls turned from exclusive girlish interest to one of competition!

This was all before I was able to understand my spiritual convictions, and church was convention. When that changed, much of my life changed, but my sexuality did not change, nor become subdued, not in the slightest!
 

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I've had lots of experience with them, and none are really happy that I have seen....though they be "gay". They've all been adolescents trapped in adult bodies. IMO.

This is what I think is at the heart of the issue. I think they have stunted sexual maturity level (the vast majority).
 

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What causes homosexual desire?


•pro-homosexual sex education

Sorry, NO amount of pro-homosexual sex education would have made me queer! Not possible, just would not work. Think what you want, I know how I feel. I LIKE MEN!

It would have been easier growing up of your pro-homosexual sex education worked on some girls, more chances for me!

I know not a one, back when times seemed more sane would have given up what a man has for a woman, for nothing but two wanting the same, and neither getting it.
 

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What I "feel" right now, is Ktoyou has started a thread to tell us all about how sexy she is with men.

Well, I could care less . . .

But do :carryon: femme fatale!
 

Lon

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Sorry, NO amount of pro-homosexual sex education would have made me queer! Not possible, just would not work. Think what you want, I know how I feel. I LIKE MEN!

It would have been easier growing up of your pro-homosexual sex education worked on some girls, more chances for me!

I know not a one, back when times seemed more sane would have given up what a man has for a woman, for nothing but two wanting the same, and neither getting it.
That is the natural desire so of course it should be so, and the other should be foreign. But I do believe there is a lot of nurture going on too, especially if your mother and father loved one another well in front of you.
 
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