The Personal Side of the Homosexual Debate

[Lon]

Kind of interesting .... the visceral responses this issue evokes. I don't quite understand it...but your explanation seems valid.

I'm not sure it's gotten visceral....yet :chuckle:

 

[Ktoyou]

This is what I think is at the heart of the issue. I think they have stunted sexual maturity level (the vast majority).

Maybe you both are right? I do not claim to now why, only what I feel. Furthermore, I am gland I am old. and had to change it, would rather be born a bit earlier. Why?
All this 'common autism, like allergies, was not an issue back when. ad Until I went to college, I never knew anyone with allergies! Also, my sister, five years younger, in her HS yearbook, there are twice as many students wearing glasses as in my class yearbook! (note: contacts were not common then)
Why?
Glasses finally passed enough genes to surviving myopic persons to raise the rate of myopic offspring.

 

[noguru]

That is the natural desire so of course it should be so, and the other should be foreign. But I do believe there is a lot of nurture going on too, especially if your mother and father loved one another well in front of you.

I think Lon makes a good point. I think the quality of the relationships we see in our parents and/or aunts and uncles gives us that template for future relationships in us. Many sexually confused people I have met have been stunted because they did not have mature healthy relationships from adults as role models.

 

[Ktoyou]

I'm not sure it's gotten visceral....yet :chuckle:

I may close it if it does. The purpose is to show how strongly heterosexual most of us are, and that queers are just that, unusual.

I wonder, are many embarrassed to state factually the experience of heterosexuality?

God's greatest gift to man, the soul, yes, although that is what make us men(human)
God's greatest gift to man in nature is the love between a man and a woman. This is what becomes much of the commands: the BIG TEN, Adultery, do not Covet, your neighbor's wife.

God did not see His creation so twisted to command, do not commit homosexuality; it was too stupid, in the beginning.

 

[Nang]

I may close it if it does. The purpose is to show how strongly heterosexual most of us are, and that queers are just that, unusual.

I wonder, are many embarrassed to state factually the experience of heterosexuality?

God's greatest gift to man, the soul, yes, although that is what make us men(human)
God's greatest gift to man in nature is the love between a man and a woman. This is what becomes much of the commands: the BIG TEN, Adultery, do not Covet, your neighbor's wife.

God did not see His creation so twisted to command, do not commit homosexuality; it was too stupid, in the beginning.

So now you go "religious" after scolding me for so being? :crackup:

Homosexuality is an ultimate judgement from God upon unbelieving humanity.

 

[Ktoyou]

That is the natural desire so of course it should be so, and the other should be foreign. But I do believe there is a lot of nurture going on too, especially if your mother and father loved one another well in front of you.

Not sure I understand this one? My mother and father were very much in love, always were.

 

[aikido7]

We all know the theological/ scriptural reasons why homosexuality is sinful; it would be repetitious to start another thread on that topic from that perspective.

What about your own personal feelings?

For me, the idea of same sex attractions seems only understandable in the abstract. I mean to say, I always liked women as friends, share many same interests, but sexual attraction seems hard to comprehend. It feels naturally repulsive, not the fondness, but the physical encounter. I see no way anyone can socially condition me to have the same feeling towards women as I have, since about age 12, for boys/men.

I do not think it can be indoctrinated anymore than I could be trained to bay at the moon?

When I was young, homosexuals were called queer, which means odd, or abnormal, funny-odd. The British called them faggots, and cigarettes fags; later, faggot was the more familiar term in the USA, as well, more derogatory.

I cannot believe that this odd nature is not caused by a genetic, or abnormal biological components.

My reason for posting this is because I feel drowned out by the extremes of other posts on this topic, or it is well discussed as a religious topic.

I post this here so anyone may respond with their persona; view. Let’s leave the obvious religious aspect for a thread aimed at that frame of discussion. I also ask to leave the hard hateful responses to be left in he long-standing thread.

How you personally feel about homosexuality?

Live and let live.

And let me eat shellfish at Red Lobster, even though it, too, is listed as an "abomination" in Leviticus. And I often wear clothing that contains more than one material. That is prohibited by Leviticus as well. Killing errant teenagers? Sorry, I'll pass on that one.

This hysterical preoccupation of believers with sex and sexuality is what is causing people (atheists, scientists, believers, humanists, former believers, those who claim to be "spiritual, not religious" and those who have never given religious faith consideration at all) in both Christianity and Islam to leave the church in droves.

The ancient formulations of dogma and theology are neither compelling or persuasive in today's global culture.

A recent world poll by Pew has disclosed more than 90% of Muslims are against the violence and terrorism a minority of the religion's people are engaging in. And according to the Christian polling group Barma, the fastest-growing demographic in Christianity is the "un-churched."

Most believers have no idea what the many objections to today's religions are, nor even know how to respond to them in a reasonable way.

 

[jamie]

I'm indifferent to what consenting adults do behind closed doors. Nor do I feel homosexuality is contagious, meaning it's not going to be passed on to their kids if they have children by adoption.

For lesbians there is a bond of family from a social aspect, they are sisters. But for guys, not so much.

 

[Ktoyou]

Live and let live.

And let me eat shellfish at Red Lobster,

OK, I feel personally stronger about sex, and my aim in the thread is more secular, as we all know the religious position.

 

[Lighthouse]

For me it seems understandable why God opposes it; not simply because it goes against His design but because it is quite obviously born of a deviant mental state.

I do not understand how anyone can look at homosexuality and not recognize it as abnormal and aberrant.

For lesbians there is a bond of family from a social aspect, they are sisters. But for guys, not so much.

Are you saying 'mos can't be bros?

 

[Ktoyou]

I'm indifferent to what consenting adults do behind closed doors. Nor do I feel homosexuality is contagious, meaning it's not going to be passed on to their kids if they have children by adoption.

For lesbians there is a bond of family from a social aspect, they are sisters. But for guys, not so much.

Thank for the feedback, you may be right, you may know more than i do about this. For me, there can be no woman I would ever be content with, and I would rather be alone, (friendship not included) than to have to sleep with someone with the same sex body as me, it is just not sexual and seems repulsive.

I cannot see two women as lovers!

I might be able to see how a man might be made queer by being raped in prison, to the degree he loses all pride in his manhood and takes up a 'woman's stick'. Although I see this as disgusting and the result of loss of ego we had and still have in prisons.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Sorry, NO amount of pro-homosexual sex education would have made me queer! Not possible, just would not work. Think what you want, I know how I feel. I LIKE MEN!

You admitted in a latter post that your parents loved one another, hence you came from a loving home. Many of these children come from broken homes.

On a side note: I've always gotten the impression that you're some kind of clinical psychologist or perhaps a social worker. Could you tell us a little about your professional background?

 

[jamie]

Are you saying 'mos can't be bros?

Guys don't tend to bond like women do. For many lesbians their family has rejected or disapproved of them so they bond with other women (other than their SO) as if they were sisters.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Guys don't tend to bond like women do. For many lesbians their family has rejected or disapproved of them so they bond with other women (other than their SO) as if they were sisters.

I can see that you're extremely ignorant on the subject (but since you made the ridiculous post about not caring what consenting adults do, that goes without saying).

Males that are sexually abused often times bond with someone of the same sex as well. Those that don't have a dominant father figure in their life will seek out male companionship, looking for that bond that they're missing in their life, a bond which often times turns sexual, especially if the mentor is a homosexual pedophile/pederast.

 

[Arthur Brain]

My personal feelings about homosexuality is that it's certainly not something I could 'choose' for myself. Not possible. Other than that I'm indifferent to it as what consenting adults do in private is their own business, regardless of how some would like it to be theirs...

 

[Arthur Brain]

I can see that you're extremely ignorant on the subject (but since you made the ridiculous post about not caring what consenting adults do, that goes without saying).

Males that are sexually abused often times bond with someone of the same sex as well. Those that don't have a dominant father figure in their life will seek out male companionship, looking for that bond that they're missing in their life, a bond which often times turns sexual, especially if the mentor is a homosexual pedophile/pederast.

Connie, you don't even know what bisexuality is so it's a complete laugh for you to call somebody else 'ignorant'...

 

[Ktoyou]

You admitted in a latter post that your parents loved one another, hence you came from a loving home. Many of these children come from broken homes.

On a side note: I've always gotten the impression that you're some kind of clinical psychologist or perhaps a social worker. Could you tell us a little about your professional background?

I know about clinical psychology; however a forensic psychologist testifies for the court, in other words, speaks for the people as expert testimony, not the defendant.

I have not anything in common with a social worker! I am more a lawyer than any other profession, although I did work longest for the state of Texas as forensic psychologist.

As to your statement, i will admit I have seen the worst, i mean the absolute worst! I do agree the worst imaginable might have made me a criminal, but never a woman kisser, of you get my drift?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Connie, you don't even know what bisexuality is so it's a complete laugh for you to call somebody else 'ignorant'...

For those of you that don't know what Art is talking about: He admitted in another thread that he likes to watch two homosexuals having sex. Today his "thing" is homosexual women.

Tell us a little bit about your childhood Art. Were you exposed to pornography? (hence his fixation with same sex porno). Inquiring minds need to know so that we can get you the help that you so desperately need.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I know about clinical psychology; however a forensic psychologist testifies for the court, in other words, speaks for the people as expert testimony, not the defendant.

I have not anything in common with a social worker! I am more a lawyer than any other profession, although I did work longest for the state of Texas as forensic psychologist.

As to your statement, i will admit I have seen the worst, i mean the absolute worst! I do agree the worst imaginable might have made me a criminal, but never a woman kisser, of you get my drift?

So you're a forensic psychologist? Please tell us what that entails.

 

[Ktoyou]

My personal feelings about homosexuality is that it's certainly not something I could 'choose' for myself. Not possible. Other than that I'm indifferent to it as what consenting adults do in private is their own business, regardless of how some would like it to be theirs...

Agree with you on not closeable. Not indifferent, mainly as it conflicts with my religious beliefs. It also conflicts with my nature as a person.

One pint to this thread, most Christians, it goes without saying, disapprove og homosexuality, but it is more. i find it repulsive outside of religion, yet I do not hate it, I would not understand it, as I am totally heterosexual. Maybe more people than i realise, do have more bisexual tendency, thus religion plays the largest part.

For me, outside of my faith, i would be repulsed by it, but not hate it. I would rather not invest the energy to hate it because I am that distant from it. make sense?