How's your "end of the world" prophesy's coming along? Give us the Scripture verses where they
say Christ's blood dripped on the mercy seat and the Ark? Did you just make that up?
The Son of God = God.....no question
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How's your "end of the world" prophesy's coming along? Give us the Scripture verses where they
say Christ's blood dripped on the mercy seat and the Ark? Did you just make that up?
keypurr
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Show me in scripture.
The prince is not the King, the son of God is not God. Simple as that. The Prince becomes King when the King dies. Is God dead? I do not think so. Christ is a servant of his Father who is his God.
keypurr
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That seems to be his choice. He can't be taught otherwise.
It seems, his truth IS the truth. That's his choice.
glorydaz
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Sometimes I wonder if the poor old guy just craves attention. :think:
andyc
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The Son is not the servant. Angels are servants, and the Hebrews writer makes the distinction between the Son and servants.
The prince is never the servant, he's the heir.
andyc
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In 'that lot' it explains that he was in the form of God, but by becoming a man, took the humiliation on himself, thus through his humanity became subject to God in his obedience to the Mosaic law.
You only focus on his humanity, and do not grasp what Peter grasped when he proclaimed Jesus to be the Son of God.
Jesus' apostles also were anointed with the Holy Spirit and power.
But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you... (Acts 1:8 NKJV)
keypurr
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True but did not the son come to do the will of his father, in other words, to serve him?
Did not the son say the servant is not greater than the one he serves?
keypurr
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I know very well what Peter meant. Most do not, Peter said that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. He did not say Christ was God. Are you reading more into it than that?
keypurr
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Is there a difference between the Holy Spirit AND power?
Only Jesus was given the fullness of the Father.
keypurr
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The Father is in me also, what does that make me?
Did he not say "That they be one as we are one in John 17?
Now the see me you see him verse, I think Christ is a copy of his Father, yep, it says so in Heb 1:3.
He also said, not my will but thy will be done in the Garden. So I guess they are only one in personality.
andyc
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Yes I am.
The man on earth in a human body that is subject to the law of Moses, would struggle in a claim to be God to those who focus solely on his physical form. God is a Spirit, but Jesus was a physical man. To say that he is God, would be putting himself in a position of absolute authority in heaven, when he had actually humbled himself to come in human form. The people were judging Jesus from a physical perspective, even though the quality of his character transcended human nature. He reflected the glory of the Father through his conduct, and this was meant to bring people to a conclusion of faith regarding who he actually is. You are doing the opposite. You're using his humanity by focusing on it continually in order to try and show people who you think he isn't.
To see beyond the humanity of Jesus requires personal revelation from God to see beyond the flesh, and see the eternal nature of who he is. He is the image of the invisible God. Through Jesus' conduct, we see the nature of God acted out in a human body. And so the conclusion should be that he's not just human. He's not the son of another man, he's the Son of God. Same quality of being.
andyc
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Jesus placed himself in that position by becoming a man who is immediately subject to the mosaic law. The willing servant willingly humbled himself to this situation.
The Son made himself a servant on earth in order to make us sons in heaven. He humbled himself on earth in order to elevate us in heaven (Hebrews 2).
That could be it?
Keypurr you're just a lonely heretic who thrives off of attention. You poor soul.
I see that before he was conceived, Jesus was declared the divine logos before time began, in the introductory verses in John's Gospel.
I believe that asserting that Jesus was born of a virgin speaks to the importance of Jesus, not to the biology of Mary.
After all, Caesar Augustus was born of a virgin as well. And declared God, son of God and even Savior of the World. All great men in ancient history had miraculous beginnings.
To be blunt however, Jesus himself never refers to himself as divine or as the Messiah. Try as they might, none of the people is able to pin him down.
[I am bracketing the Gospel of John here, because that account is filled with theology and very little history. It is a mystical, Gnostic-tinged Jesus who seems 180 degrees away from the Galilean rabbi of Mark, Luke and Matthew.]