genuineoriginal
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Obama is the son of a foreigner, and does not pass the "natural born" citizen test any more than Arnold Schwarzenegger could.
toldailytopic: Has Obama eased or exacerbated racial tension in this country?
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One only needs to get in a pick up basketball game with a bunch of black guys to see the the violence (a half hour game turns into 15 minutes of playing time and 15 minutes of arguing).
On a more scientific note:
· Homicide was the leading cause of death for black men and women between the ages
of 25 and 34.
· Black men from 25 through 44 years old were 11 times more likely to die as homicide
victims than were white men in that same age bracket.
· Although one of every nine Americans was black, one of every two male murder
victims was black — as was one of every two people arrested for murder.
· Blacks were two-and-a-half times more likely than whites to be victims of rape or
robbery.
http://www.acme-journal.org/vol1/wilson.pdf
Sometimes you have to use leftwing articles to make your point, which I did with this one.
Is this racist? :smokie:
[President Obama's camp tries to diversify] "President Barack Obama’s team is looking to hire more African-Americans, a search that has stirred a debate among black Democrats about Obama’s record on diversity and its implications for his reelection. Stefanie Brown, director of the campaign’s African American Vote program, wrote in an “urgent” March 21 email to contacts in the black community that “The Obama for America campaign is in the process of really staffing up in states around the country, and I need your help to find qualified, African American candidates for some of these positions.” The email, a copy of which was obtained by Politico, notes that “this is a fast moving process and your (quick) support is greatly appreciated...” Full text: President Obama's camp tries to diversify
A few housekeeping items:
I link to articles for the purpose of discussion.
each: I do not necessarily agree with all authors of said articles. lain::Commie: Silence the critic? :Shimei:
See:
Darwin’s Plantation: Evolution’s Racist Roots
:yawn: Proof please.
each: Ac 17:26 Aren't you the one who believes in Darwin's K: monkey theory? :yawn: Proof please.
each::yawn: Proof please.
each: You do not have a biblical worldview.
Barbarian quote: "...I believe that the death we are saved from is a spiritual one."
[Serpentdove quote: "Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?"]
Barbarian quote: "I think you're wrong about that." link Eph 5:11
See:
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:yawn: Let the reader decide (Eph 4:14).
each: :yawn: I believe God did what he said he did (Ge 1:1, 1:26).
"You believe God (revelation) or you believe man (speculation)." J. Vernon McGee
Do you believe Jesus has a body?
Barbarian chuckles:
Neither the Constitution nor any other law of the United States requires that both parents be citizens for a person to be a natural born citizen. You know this. Do you think the rest of us don't know it? That's not what's motivating you, is it?
He's the son of an American citizen. Who do you think you're fooling? C'mon.
The Constitution and the laws of the United States disagree with you. Arnold was not the son of an American citizen; Obama is. You know this. So does everyone else.
The U.S. code specifically states that Obama would be born a U.S. citizen whether or not he was born in the United States. Learn to live with it.
Neither the Constitution nor any other law of the United States requires that both parents be citizens for a person to be a natural born citizen. You know this. Do you think the rest of us don't know it? That's not what's motivating you, is it?
He's the son of an American citizen. Who do you think you're fooling? C'mon.
The Constitution and the laws of the United States disagree with you. Arnold was not the son of an American citizen; Obama is. You know this. So does everyone else.
The U.S. code specifically states that Obama would be born a U.S. citizen whether or not he was born in the United States. Learn to live with it.
genuineoriginal
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Barack Hussein Obama's father has never been an American citizen.
That is where the problem started.
Barbarian explains why U.S. law considers Obama a natural-born citizen:
He's the son of an American citizen.
Doesn't matter. The law is very clear on that. He is the son of an American citizen. The Constitution and the U.S. Code make it clear that he was a citizen from birth.
We all know where the problem started, and it didn't have anything to do with his citizenship.
Don't see why. You don't seem to have given that much thought.
The fact that you didn't mind McCain being born overseas, but objected to Obama's citizenship being born in the United States to an American citizen, pretty much settles that.
It's cut and dried, in the U.S. code. No wiggle room for you.
I know you want us to believe it, but there's that problem of evidence, isn't there?
Evidence, remember?
If it had been true, in Obama's case, it would have been an accident of birth. Some others however, are self-made men.
Just saying...
He's the son of an American citizen.
Doesn't matter. The law is very clear on that. He is the son of an American citizen. The Constitution and the U.S. Code make it clear that he was a citizen from birth.
We all know where the problem started, and it didn't have anything to do with his citizenship.
Don't see why. You don't seem to have given that much thought.
The fact that you didn't mind McCain being born overseas, but objected to Obama's citizenship being born in the United States to an American citizen, pretty much settles that.
It's cut and dried, in the U.S. code. No wiggle room for you.
I know you want us to believe it, but there's that problem of evidence, isn't there?
Evidence, remember?
If it had been true, in Obama's case, it would have been an accident of birth. Some others however, are self-made men.
Just saying...
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Barbarian chuckles--but does not answer the question: Do you believe Jesus has a body?
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(Serpent questions the physical resurrection of Christ)
Barbarian chuckles:
I think you're wrong about that. There were witnesses to the physical resurrection of Christ.
Already answered that. But I'll do it again. Jesus is wholly man and wholly God. As man, He has a body. God, however, as Jesus has said, does not have a body, because He is a spirit, and spirits do not have bodies.
Barbarian chuckles:
I think you're wrong about that. There were witnesses to the physical resurrection of Christ.
Already answered that. But I'll do it again. Jesus is wholly man and wholly God. As man, He has a body. God, however, as Jesus has said, does not have a body, because He is a spirit, and spirits do not have bodies.
:yawn: Strawman Eph 4:14
I believe in a: physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus.
Barbarian quote: "...I believe that the death we are saved from is a spiritual one."
[Serpentdove quote: "Do you believe in a physical, literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus?"]
Barbarian quote: "I think you're wrong about that." link Eph 5:11
Do you believe Jesus now has a body?
See:
Barbarian
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genuineoriginal
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What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means
Framer of the Fourteenth Amendments first section, John Bingham, said Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes meant “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” If this statute merely reaffirmed the old common law rule of citizenship by birth then the condition of the parents would be entirely irrelevant.
It should be noted that the condition of the father is what determines whether someone is born an alien or not because under U.S. law citizenship of wives and children always followed that of the father. And of course the status of the father was what determined the citizenship of a child born under law of nature.
Framer of the Fourteenth Amendments first section, John Bingham, said Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes meant “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” If this statute merely reaffirmed the old common law rule of citizenship by birth then the condition of the parents would be entirely irrelevant.
It should be noted that the condition of the father is what determines whether someone is born an alien or not because under U.S. law citizenship of wives and children always followed that of the father. And of course the status of the father was what determined the citizenship of a child born under law of nature.
(Barbarian checks the relevant code)
Nope. Not in America. The code is quite specific, and nothing at all about the sex of the parent who's an American citizen. You've been snockered yet again.
8 USC § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:....
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
Even if he hadn't been born in Hawaii, he'd still be a natural born citizen under U.S. law.
Try again?
genuineoriginal
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So, now you believe Obama was born outside of the United States?
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zoo22
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Oh, come on. He said, "Even if he hadn't been born in Hawaii, he'd still be a natural born citizen under U.S. law."
If you were joking, my apologies.
genuineoriginal
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:chuckle:Oh, come on. He said, "Even if he hadn't been born in Hawaii, he'd still be a natural born citizen under U.S. law."
If you were joking, my apologies.
You did notice the rain smiley, yes?
Well, it's clear that the election of Barack Obama has exacerbated tension for G.O.
genuineoriginal
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Not at all.
I want a patriotic citizen as leader of this country, you like having an
in the office.
Barbarian chuckles:
Well, it's clear that the election of Barack Obama has exacerbated tension for G.O.
Enough that you're trying to dream up imaginary laws that make him ineligible to be president. That's pretty disturbed, G.O.
There's nothing unpatriotic about being only part white. Sorry.
As you just learned, a child of an American citizen is, by law, a natural-born citizen. Learn to live with it.
Well, it's clear that the election of Barack Obama has exacerbated tension for G.O.
Enough that you're trying to dream up imaginary laws that make him ineligible to be president. That's pretty disturbed, G.O.
There's nothing unpatriotic about being only part white. Sorry.
As you just learned, a child of an American citizen is, by law, a natural-born citizen. Learn to live with it.
Barack isn't sure who his daddy was. I doubt his floozy mom even knew.
But besides that, Obama's mother had young Barry become a citizen of Indonesia in 1968 when she married yet another black guy. Did Obama ever changed his citizenship back to the US?
If not, he is ineligible to even be a Congressman, let alone POTUS.