I plan to put holes in my rug and calluses on my knees through praying, a LOT.
toldailytopic: What will 4 more years of Obama mean for this country?
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I understand that dispensationalism teaches that there are no signs or events that have to happen for the alleged "rapture" to occur.
However, what dispensationalists do is take passages related to the second coming, and then predict the rapture on that basis.
Hal Lindsey is the most famous dispensationalist to do this.
Praise be to Obama, the nation's savior! You will see a grand bargain waged (with the house) and the economy stabilized. We will see reasonable tax increases AND spending cuts as well as increased efficiency in government.
The conservative vision will gradually decay. Thank goodness.
The conservative vision will gradually decay. Thank goodness.
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I agree with you here though the right may continue to try and fight healthcare reform, sadly.
I'm hopeful for immigration reform and perhaps action on climate, even if it comes from the state level. Best, I think, will be the rejuvenation of the supreme court.
Wishful thinking on your part. No election is going to cause those things to disappear.
Well then... go yell at Hal Lindsay.
The conservative vision is decaying in a way I wouldn't describe as "gradual".
You win. You liberals did it, you killed America. Welcome to the other side. But when this "Europe" crashes it aint gonna be pretty.
You'd think that would be more satisfying than it is, but he's 82 and hard of hearing so he mostly just thinks people are trying to have conversation.
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Or maybe just that we disagree? I would stop posting here before I'd knowingly offend you. If I've done that, my apologies.
Twelve years ahead of you, brother.
You should change your username to Ozymandias. The only sure bet is that humans will go on striving after brass rings, mostly missing and that God will still be there when we do, even if you'd rather He not be.
I apologize! I was being sarcastic and you don't have that coming from me.
It is true, we do disagree on some issues but we agree on many others.
Hopefully, your non-nonsensical opinions will subside as well!!
“Is the implosion of America more or less likely now?” by Joel Rosenberg] "(Washington, D.C., November 7, 2012) -- Waking up the day after the 2012 elections, I had many questions on my mind. But none so pressing as this: Is the implosion of America more or less likely now?
I'll share my thoughts on that in a moment. First things first: Many Americans are stunned by President Obama's reelection. Most prominent conservative analysts and pundits had definitively predicted Romney would win decisively. Several even predicted a landslide for Romney (most notably Dick Morris and George Will and Michael Barone.) Yet in the end, Mr. Obama won 50.3% of the popular vote and 303 electoral votes, while Mr. Romney won 48.1% of the popular vote and only 206 electoral votes.
Many evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics are stunned and grieving by the fact that the President's support for abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, massive deficits and national debt, nationalized health care, and large defense cuts have been ratified by the majority of the American people, as has his policies of appeasing the mullahs in Iran, misreading and mishandling the Arab Spring, and creating distance and daylight between the U.S. and Israel. What's more, same-sex marriages ballot measures were passed in Maryland and Maine; and marijuana-legalization ballot measures were passed in Washington State and Colorado (in defiance of federal laws prohibiting its use).
Why did God say "no" to the prayers of millions of Christians who were asking Him to save the Obama and Biden families spiritually but also remove them from office? It's going to take time to prayerfully and Scripturally analyze what happened and why. We should be careful not to rush to conclusions. Instead, we need to take time to carefully analyze the facts. The Bible says, "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings to search out a matter." (Proverbs 25:2) As we process all this, we need to ask a number of probing questions. Among them:
1. Did Mr. Obama win because America is becoming more liberal, more secular, more hostile to Biblical values and those who hold them? That is, are we losing the battle for the soul of America, and should now expect more liberal political leaders to dominate the American scene in the years ahead?
2. Or, did Mr. Romney lose because he was a flawed candidate, who made numerous unforced errors, flip-flopped on numerous policy issues, and campaigned as a conservative when he was in fact a Massachusetts moderate? That is, could a truly principled, experienced, articulate, conservative, orthodox Christian leader be able to persuade a majority of the country to change course?
3. Precisely how did self-professed born-again Christians vote? Did they vote on the basis of personality, or principle? For those who voted for Obama, why?
4. Did many born-again Christians stay home and not vote? If so, what caused them not to turn out for Romney? Was it for personality reasons? Policy reasons?
5. What significance did Mr. Romney's Mormonism play in the decision of born-again Christians not to vote for him? That is, did many Christians refuse to vote for Romney for religious reasons, and if so, how many?
6. Why were GOP and conservative pundits so wrong, so far off the mark, and what role did wishful thinking rather than sound analysis play in their predictions (especially when the Real Clear Politics average of polls showed Obama pulling ahead of Romney in the last few days)?
7. Considering all the data, is the implosion of America more or less likely today, and will the Church in America wake up and repent and call the nation back to Christ before it's too late?
We are at a very vulnerable moment. I can't say that the implosion of America is imminent. But how much longer will God be patient before He decides to judge us for 54 million abortions, a celebration of homosexuality, rampant heterosexual immorality, marital affairs, separations, divorce, the implosion of whole families, rampant pornography, unprecedented murder and violent crime rates, massive deficits, unfathomable debt, and a weak, increasingly apostate Church?
Just as we are living on borrowed credit, so we are living on borrowed time.
A few final thoughts for now..." Full text: So what now? 7 sets of questions to ask after President Obama’s reelection. Starting with: “Is the implosion of America more or less likely now?”
No. And I don't believe your characterization is accurate either. But in any event, no.
Because the right wing extreme is a difference maker in primaries the way moderates are in the general election Romney had to pretend to be something he isn't. The result was that when he tried to then sell who he actually is he had credibility issues the White House could use to its advantage. And in a close race that was important.
I bet that nearly doesn't factor. His numbers looked a lot like McCains. Romney brought in (so far) around 57 million while McCain had around 59 million. The President had about 69 million against McCain and around 60 million against Romney.
I don't think they were exactly off the mark. I think they were misleading in an attempt to stir up the vote and keep pushing the notion of an upward trend. The numbers and polls were mostly blunderbuss, which is to say had more to do with the popular vote, where the plus or minus could give Romney a win.
Back? What was the last decade where you think we were something more than a nation of struggle toward an idea with serious character flaws?
Well, if slavery and wholesale massacre of Native Americans is any indicator we have decades and decades to go.
True in any generation.
Neither more nor less likely. It's always been and always will be a crap shoot work in progress with a pressure valve we call peaceful revolution every four years. So long as we respect process we'll be fine.
Wishful thinking...hardly accurate but, your optimism is duly noted.:carryon:
Free health care for everyone! (except the people who have to pay for it).
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