Video Shows ‘Prosperity’ Preachers Laying Hands on Trump

Angel4Truth

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I just did. Why don't you just come out and admit why you don't like Donald Trump? (Because he was meeeeeean to Carly Fiorino and the Fox News' defender of the LGBTQueer movement Megan Kelly).

I don't like Donald Trump because hes as phony as the prosperity preachers.

One more time on the rest, take your homo chat back to your own thread, thanks. This is not a thread on homosexuality, and you go right ahead and falsely accuse me of supporting anything lgbt, and get your tail laughed off, because everyone here knows better than that.
 

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Thanks for talking about worldly things, as I understand that you're not of this world?

I am not perfect. I am curious about what is going on.

I am just observer.

In fact I am sad to say I am very worldly myself. But His followers should stay away from worldly things as much as they can.
 

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I just did. Why don't you just come out and admit why you don't like Donald Trump? (Because he was meeeeeean to Carly Fiorino and the Fox News' defender of the LGBTQueer movement Megan Kelly).
I don't like Donald Trump because hes as phony as the prosperity preachers.

Phony is a subject word, i.e. open to interpretation. I see there are about 4 or 5 current woodshed complaints against you, it appears that they believe you're a phony as well.

Now if you would like to discuss why you believe Donald Trump and those who use money to promote God's Word are phony...

One more time on the rest, take your homo chat back to your own thread, thanks. This is not a thread on homosexuality, and you go right ahead and falsely accuse me of supporting anything lgbt, and get your tail laughed off, because everyone here knows better than that.

Since your buddy Desert Reign refuses to return to my thread and defend ENDA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act

(you must remember Part 2 when you both defended the supposed right for homosexuals not to be discriminated against when it comes to jobs, housing, etc.) why don't you return to the thread and "everyone here" can decide for themselves?
 

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I just did. Why don't you just come out and admit why you don't like Donald Trump? (Because he was meeeeeean to Carly Fiorino and the Fox News' defender of the LGBTQueer movement Megan Kelly).


Phony is a subject word, i.e. open to interpretation. I see there are about 4 or 5 current woodshed complaints against you, it appears that they believe you're a phony as well.

Now if you would like to discuss why you believe Donald Trump and those who use money to promote God's Word are phony...



Since your buddy Desert Reign refuses to return to my thread and defend ENDA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Non-Discrimination_Act

(you must remember Part 2 when you both defended the supposed right for homosexuals not to be discriminated against when it comes to jobs, housing, etc.) why don't you return to the thread and "everyone here" can decide for themselves?

This thread is also not for you to gossip about other members because of your desire to discuss lgbt issues, take it back to your own thread, that i stopped participating in long ago, your issues with other members are your problem, not mine.
 

aCultureWarrior

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I am not perfect. I am curious about what is going on.

I am just observer.

In fact I am sad to say I am very worldly myself. But His followers should stay away from worldly things as much as they can.

["staying away from worldly things"] By promoting the goodness that He talks about in Holy Scripture (spiritually, culturally, and legislatively).
 

aCultureWarrior

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This thread is also not for you to gossip about other members because of your desire to discuss lgbt issues, take it back to your own thread, that i stopped participating in long ago, your issues with other members are your problem, not mine.

Obviously the purpose of this thread is to gossip about a front running Presidential candidate who for obvious reasons you don't like and a version of Christianity that doesn't meet your approval.

On that note: I see that you're on one of your woodshed rampages, I'll attempt to escape before I'm your next victim.
 

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David Jeremiah, pastor of Shadow Mountain Community Church in El Cajon, California also participated in the prayers, asking that the next president “will help us economically and spiritually, and in every way.”
“So today we pray for Donald Trump,” he said, as the others in the room joined in agreement. “We pray for his family. We pray for his associates. We pray that what he has heard today from those who have spoken into his life, he will consider.”
“Lord, whatever it is that You are going to do to bring around him the right people as he moves forward in this campaign, we ask you to give him direction and give him hope,” Jeremiah continued. “And Lord, thank you for allowing us to be here for this special moment. Perhaps we’ll look back on this day and remember that we stood together and we prayed for the next president of the United States.”



But not everyone is happy to hear about the meeting. Russell Moore, the president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, said that he was concerned that out of all of Christianity, billionaire Trump seems to be attracted to prosperity preachers.

“The people that Trump has so far identified as his evangelical outreach are mostly prosperity gospel types, which are considered by mainstream evangelicals to be heretics,” he told Politico.

“Trump seems to be positioning himself as a secular version of the health-and-wealth televangelists,” Moore continued. “What Donald Trump is doing in terms of promises for the future is very similar to what’s going on among these prosperity gospel hawkers.”.



I'm wondering what kind of back channel fussing this is going to create...I'm pretty sure Jeremiah's church is S.B.C. affiliated. :)
 

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I just did. Why don't you just come out and admit why you don't like Donald Trump? (Because he was meeeeeean to Carly Fiorino and the Fox News' defender of the LGBTQueer movement Megan Kelly).

I read this excellent book back in the 1992 – it is one heck of a well-researched expose of Trump written way back when.

Anyone considering voting for the man might want to read it.

From the link:

http://www.nationinstitute.org/featuredwork/books/1283/trump:_the_deals_and_the_downfall/

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Wayne Barrett was a fixture at the Village Voice for almost four decades, doing his first investigative feature in 1973 and writing more than 2000 stories between then and 2011, when he left the paper.

He has also written five books, including two on Rudy Giuliani, a biography of Donald Trump and City for Sale, a chronicle of the Koch scandals of the late 80s.

He has been an adjunct at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism for years, teaching courses on investigative and political reporting, as well as advising students on investigative projects.

An army of his interns and students are now spread throughout American and international journalism.
 

aCultureWarrior

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I read this excellent book back in the 1992 – it is one heck of a well-researched expose of Trump written way back when.

Anyone considering voting for the man might want to read it.

Why on earth should a book written 23 years ago influence anyone supporting Donald Trump today?

And believing a word from someone who worked for the ultra left wing/pro homosexual "Village Voice" for 40 years, seriously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_Voice

Speaking of current republican presidential candidate frontrunners:

I've always wondered why the leftwing media goes soft on Carly Fiorina, this very well might be the answer:

What Fiorina didn't tell us about her Clinton Foundation ties

Political campaigns are like peeling back layers of an onion -- just when you think you know a candidate, there's something new and unexpected revealed.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/fiorinas-ties-to-clinton-foundation-closer-than-disclosed/
 

aCultureWarrior

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I'm wondering what kind of back channel fussing this is going to create...I'm pretty sure Jeremiah's church is S.B.C. affiliated. :)

Looking at the Shadow Mountain Community Church website, they seem to teach the basics of Christianity:

God Loves You. He Always Has, He Always Will.

Do you know for sure you are going to heaven?

If God asked you: "Why should I let you in my heaven?" What would you say?
Did you know the Bible tells HOW YOU CAN KNOW FOR SURE that you have eternal life and will be with God in heaven forever?
"These things I have written unto you...that you may know you have eternal life..." (1 John 5:13)

1. ETERNAL LIFE is a free gift. It is not earned or deserved (Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-9).Why is it that no one can earn his way to heaven? The Bible says that...

2. MAN is a sinner and cannot save himself (Matthew 5:48, Romans 3:23).
However, the Bible says that in spite of our sin...

3. GOD is merciful (1 John 4:8), but He is also just (Exodus 34:7, Ezekiel 18:4).
God loves us and doesn't want to punish us, but He is just and holy, and must punish sin.
The Bible says that God solved this problem for us in the person of...

4. JESUS CHRIST, the infinite God-man (John 1:1,14). He died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. He rose from the grave to purchase a place for us in heaven (Isaiah 53:6, 1 Corinthians 15:1-5). Jesus now offers you eternal life (heaven) as a free gift.
The Bible says that this gift is received by...

5. FAITH, the key that opens the door to heaven. Saving faith is not mere HEAD KNOWLEDGE, like believing certain historical facts. Even the demons believe there is one God (James 2:19). Saving faith is not TEMPORAL, either; that is, trusting God for temporal crisis such as financial, family, or physical needs. Now these are good, and you should trust Christ for these, but they are not saving faith.
Saving faith is trusting in Jesus alone for eternal life. It means resting upon Him and what He has done rather than in what you or I have done to get us into heaven (Acts 16:31, Ephesians 2:8-9).
http://www.shadowmountain.org/default.aspx?page=3980

And now we resume with the scheduled programming of "My church is better than your church!"
 

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And theres more!

Prosperity Gospel Preacher Paula White Prays for Donald Trump: 'Any Tongue that Rises Against Him Will Be Condemned'

Florida megachurch pastor and prosperity preacher Paula White prayed for Republican 2016 presidential frontrunner Donald Trump, saying that "any tongue that rises against him will be condemned according to the word of God," and for "a greater encounter" with God.

"Father, we just secure him right now by the blood of Jesus. We thank you that no weapon formed against him will be able to prosper and any tongue that rises against him will be condemned according to the word of God," prayed White, a Florida evangelical preacher with a daily television show on The Word Network.

White was among several other selected Christian leaders and ministry professionals, who prayed for Trump, laying their hands on him, as shown in a video recently posted on YouTube.

"Even as we lay hands on him right now, let Your hand be laid upon him. Let him have a greater encounter with You, a greater encounter with the spirit of God," White went on to say in her prayer.

She referred to Ephesians 1:17,18, which reads, "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people."

White, the senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Center in Apopka, Florida, a multi-cultural ministry founded in 1996 by late pastor Zachery Tims, prayed that Trump's eyes would be opened "to see the glory and the goodness of God," and added, "All the days of his life, let him live well. I secure him, I secure his children, I secure his calling and his mantle."

White was joined by Pastor David Jeremiah, pastor of Shadow Mountain Community Church, a megachurch in El Cajon, California; Southern Baptist megachurch Pastor Robert Jeffress, of First Baptist Dallas; TV personalities Jentezen Franklin, Steve Munsey and Clarence McClendon; and others in praying for Trump.

So apparently we all need to be for Trump and not disagree or we are doomed as believers.
 

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And theres more!

So apparently we all need to be for Trump and not disagree or we are doomed as believers.

Two things about the Christian Post article caught my attention:

White, the senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Center in Apopka, Florida, a multi-cultural ministry founded in 1996 by late pastor Zachery Tims,

What makes a church "multi-cultural"? Looking at their website I see nothing that indicates that they're perverting the gospel.
http://www.ndcc.tv/


prayed that Trump's eyes would be opened "to see the glory and the goodness of God," and added, "All the days of his life, let him live well. I secure him, I secure his children, I secure his calling and his mantle."

They prayed that Trump to open his eyes "to see the glory and goodness of God",

And the problem with that is?
 

Angel4Truth

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Two things about the Christian Post article caught my attention:

White, the senior pastor of New Destiny Christian Center in Apopka, Florida, a multi-cultural ministry founded in 1996 by late pastor Zachery Tims,

What makes a church "multi-cultural"? Looking at their website I see nothing that indicates that they're perverting the gospel.
http://www.ndcc.tv/


prayed that Trump's eyes would be opened "to see the glory and the goodness of God," and added, "All the days of his life, let him live well. I secure him, I secure his children, I secure his calling and his mantle."

They prayed for Trump to open his eyes "to see the glory and goodness of God",

And the problem with that is?

No problem for me, the problem is prosperity preachers saying we are doomed if we dont agree with him and express it.

The problem is them hawking it to their churches as if its biblical.

You can keep ignoring my points and pretending im saying something else when ive been clear, you do it all the time.
 

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So ACW back the point, do you agree that any believer who says anything against trump is doomed? yes or no, and if yes, please back it with scripture.
 

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No problem for me, the problem is prosperity preachers saying we are doomed if we dont agree with him and express it.

The problem is them hawking it to their churches as if its biblical.

You can keep ignoring my points and pretending im saying something else when ive been clear, you do it all the time.

This is absolute nonsense, I don't care who is saying it. "I secure him, I secure his children, I secure his calling and his mantle."
 

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mmmm ... "prosperity" preachers attracted to Donald Trump. Now why on earth do you suppose that is.

:think:



:idea:

More "prosperity"?



mmm...



They worship the same God?



:greedy:



mmmm .... they just wanted the opportunity to get close enough to see what in God's green earth is going on with that comb over?



:thumb:
 

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mmmm ... "prosperity" preachers attracted to Donald Trump. Now why on earth do you suppose that is.

:think:



:idea:

More "prosperity"?



mmm...



They worship the same God?



:greedy:



mmmm .... they just wanted the opportunity to get close enough to see what in God's green earth is going on with that comb over?



:thumb:

Uh oh, you said something against trump, you are now doomed.
 

fzappa13

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Uh oh, you said something against trump, you are now doomed.

Well, to me, a comb over begs the question, "what, exactly, are you hiding and why do you feel the need to hide it?" ... and ...
What else are you trying to hide?


This is why most successful politicians have to have good hair as a prerequisite for running ... Rick Perry ... come on down.
 
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