Zero Americans killed by terrorist attacks from banned countries

[Tinark]

see japan/dec 6, 1941

What is the logical connection between an immigration/visitation ban from these 7 countries and your example of a historical military attack which had absolutely nothing to do with immigration/travel policy? Are you saying an immigration/travel ban and extreme vetting (after the ban is lifted) from Japan of a similar nature as this one would've prevented this incident?

 

[ok doser]

What is the logical connection between an immigration/visitation ban from these 7 countries and your example of a historical military attack which had absolutely nothing to do with immigration/travel policy? Are you saying an immigration/travel ban from Japan would've prevented this incident?

okey dokey - looks like somebody's been eating lead paint chips for toooo long


:wave2:

 

[Tinark]

i see


so how long have you been sitting in on national security meetings?

Seeing as Trump didn't consult his national security advisers on this order (they have stated as such), this is another complete red herring. No surprise coming from you.

 

[Tinark]

okey dokey - looks like somebody's been eating lead paint chips for toooo long


:wave2:

Glad you admit your issue, explains a lot.

 

[ok doser]

Seeing as Trump didn't consult his national security advisers on this order (they have stated as such), this is another complete red herring. No surprise coming from you.

you don't think he talked to Bannon about it?

 

[katiecrna]

The current vetting procedures are already working: 0 Americans killed by terrorists from these 7 countries. There is no reason to "enhance" those vetting procedures with a ban (temporary or otherwise) other than pure bigotry.

I agree 100%. And mark my words... this will cause more terrorist attacks which trump will turn around and say SEE that's why these people can't come in the country! He will manipulate the situation for his benefit to make them look bad. And people will buy into it because Trump will increase the fear in Americans like he has been doing. Bigotry bigotry bigotry.

Terrorism is not a big problem. Statistically speaking it's not. Death from gun violence in our own country by our own people is a problem. Heart disease, obesity is a problem. But people love to point their finger at someone who is different than them and blame them for problems that don't really exist. If it's not muslims and "terrorist" it's transgenders and homosexuals, or blacks. We need to look at the big picture. What really are the issues. Terrorism is not one.

 

[Nick M]

Based on no evidence.

Based purely on prejudices.

 

[Tinark]

you don't think he talked to Bannon about it?

Sure, but what do his prejudices have to do with national security? He has no national security experience or expertise. Can you point to a single national security expert that believes this order will improve national security? Didn't think so.

 

[Tinark]

Liar, none of those people in those photos are in the US from the 7 countries which this order pertains to. Your modus operandi is to spread lies, fear and hate. You are doing a great job spreading the work of the devil.

 

[ok doser]

Sure, but what do his prejudices have to do with national security?

President Trump has reorganized the National Security Council by elevating his chief strategist Steve Bannon and demoting the Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Now, Bannon will join the NSC's principals committee, the top inter-agency group for discussing national security. The National Security Council is the staff inside the White House that coordinates decision making by the president on such matters, in coordination with outside departments including the State Department and the Pentagon. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...shakeup-steve-bannon-gets-a-seat-at-the-table

 

[ok doser]

Terrorism is not a big problem.

the families of these guys might disagree:

Death from gun violence in our own country by our own people is a problem. Heart disease, obesity is a problem.

and do we, as a society, attempt to address those problems?

of course we do

 

[jeffblue101]

Sure, but what do his prejudices have to do with national security? He has no national security experience or expertise. Can you point to a single national security expert that believes this order will improve national security? Didn't think so.

the order also focuses on screening for supporters of honor killings. And again Obama created that list not Trump with zero accusations of bigotry.

 

[ok doser]

the order also focuses on screening for supporters of honor killings. And again Obama created that list not Trump with zero accusations of bigotry.

ya think the dimwitted leftists would have loved this part:

In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

but that would have required them to read down twenty or thirty lines :dizzy:

 

[jeffblue101]

is Trump a bigot for including in his new screening process these prohibitions?

In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.

 

[Tinark]

U.S. Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) released the following statement today on the President’s executive order on immigration:

“Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

“It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

“Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

“Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=587F2A2D-8A47-48F7-9045-CF30F0A77889

 

[ok doser]

"America does not want Muslims coming into our country."

got that right! :thumb:

 

[jeffblue101]

don't forget whiny crybabies! :darwinsm:

yup and still crying

 

[ClimateSanity]

Does lightning usually strike on the same place?

What are the chances the next terrorist attack will come from people who immigrated from countries whose immigrants attacked us before? There is a much better chance the next attacks will come from countries who pose the greatest threat.

 

[ClimateSanity]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bc.marfeel.com

For a little clarity on the subject.

 

[katiecrna]

is Trump a bigot for including in his new screening process these prohibitions?

No I love this. I don't know if trump is racist or sexist or a bigot. But he sounds like one. And that's my point. He needs to have more tact when he speaks. He easily offends people, and when he speaks it comes off angry and full of hate. And that's just not a good look for a president. He needs to be careful how he speaks and executes things.