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I agree with you in all of that. That you felt the need tells me you didn't understand what I wrote. I'll try again. Gen 2:4 uses the same expression "in the day" that is used in the exact same chapter when God warned Adam not to eat of the tree Gen 2:17--because he would die "in the day" he ate...

Huh? Gen 2:4 doesn't deal with Adam's death at all. Did you read it? I agree completely with Gen 2:4. Especially where it says God created the heavens and the earth "in the day", despite the verses previous saying it took 6 days (2:2 "ended on the 7th"). Did you read it? If not, please do. If...

I'm not saying it isn't useful for proving some things--I'm just as likely as the next guy to use a single verse as proof of my assertions. What I'm saying is that God didn't think it was sufficient for establishing a doctrine of creation. If I use Gen 1:1 as the basis for my beliefs on...

That was the point Clete was TRYING to make. But it isn't enough, according to God. I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong with believing the text of a single verse. We give God glory based purely on Gen 1:1! He made the heavens and the earth--hallelujah! But what does that include, just...

Gen 1:1 is a great example! God obviously didn't consider it sufficient, because He follows it up with the 7-day creation story. And not only that, but He follows that up with a summary: [Gen 2:1 KJV] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Thus, your example...

Why do you leave out “in”?

No, I didn't say he didn't die. I said he did die, and in that day. But just like Gen 2:4, the day is an era, or a timeframe longer than a day. That's what the context gives you. And I don't have to redefine "death" or "day". And as I showed, there are two ways that context shows it isn't a...

So you're saying God is the first cause, but not the second or third or fourth cause? Yet whoever those causes are, aren't they caused to be exactly like they are by God? Didn't God make Satan to rebel, in your view? If not God, then who? Is Satan able to decide to rebel all by himself?

I didn't establish the criteria. [2Co 13:1 KJV] This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Of course, Paul didn't just make that up, the principle came from other places (or "mouths") in scripture.

If God wanted sin to happen, and He made sure it did (predestination) without having to know what other agents were going to do, then God authored, or purposefully caused, sin. If God is the author of sin, then either sin is ok with Him (His character is not righteous), or there is no such...

Then you should be getting baptized for your dead ancestors.

Would you like to name a few?

How many doctrines are obvious enough to only need a single verse of support?

What you’ve pointed out here is not two evidences, but only a single piece of evidence, because your definition is derived from the fact Adam didn’t die in that 24 hour period. As I’ve pointed out in other posts, the non-24 hour definition of day is used earlier in the same chapter as God’s...

Are you saying foreknows because He ordains, or He ordains because He foreknows? If He foreknows because He ordains, then He is the author of sin.

There were two parts to my comment that you were responding to: You addressed the "distinct part of us" part, but not the "that survives our physical death" part. I'm glad you've been persistent with this question. I don't know if I have the full understanding of the impact of believing one...

Does that also mean you are old, but not old?

Perhaps so.

As promised, though somewhat later than I had hoped, here's my reply to @Clete's post in the other thread. Clete, I didn't bring my quotes that you were answering, so sometimes the gist gets lost without it. If you think I've gone off on a tangent from what you meant, please let me know. I...

I think you've proved what I was trying to say. Their belief is based on something, and therefore it isn't totally mindless. Perhaps you are saying that belief that tries to limit any actions of God in creation is from the instincts of man weighed down by the constraints of his sin nature, but...