He never had a chance to explain, the cop wasn't interested in why or if the kid had no license, Totally the cop's fault.
17 Year Old Shot And Killed By Cop
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He never had a chance to explain, the cop wasn't interested in why or if the kid had no license, Totally the cop's fault.
glorydaz
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At least we're clear on that. :e4e:
ok doser
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argue with a cop when the cop was being professional and reasonable and asking for his license and registration
that was pretty stupid
gcthomas
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Argue with a cop -> summary execution without trial.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
that's not the way it played out
did you watch the video?
1. argue with a cop, get arrested
2. resist arrest, get subdued with non-lethal weapon
3. continue resisting when non-lethal weapon fails, get subdued with lethal weapon
gcthomas
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Whose life was at risk here? Was the boy a lethal risk to the public if he wasn't taken in immediately?
brinny
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then why did you mention the kid did something stupid?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
both parties
who knows? :idunno:
more importantly, how would you expect the officer to know?
what the officer did know was that the driver was acting abnormally
why?
because he had a gun under the seat?
because he had a kidnapped child in the trunk that he planned to molest?
because he had a big bag of pot or coke or heroin in the car?
impossible to know or to rule out without investigating further
brinny
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why did this officer stop this boy from the gitgo?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
illegal in michigan to flash your brights at oncoming traffic
brinny
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Hmmmmm......the officer's headlights were on high, nearly blinding other drivers.
It was illegal to indicate to the officer that his headlights were possibly deadly in that they could blind drivers, causing accidents?
In addition, wasn't this officer already aware that these headlights were causing problems BEFORE this?
What would this 17 yr old's options been in this situation?
Call 911 on the officer after getting his tag #?
gcthomas
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So it is OK to kill someone as long as you haven't yet definitively proved they aren't dangerous?
Is that how you want cops to behave? Kill first, just in case?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
debatable, but so what?
it's evidence that the driver was dangerous
tell you what - lemmee do that to your face and let's see your reaction
"legal danger" :freak:
he assaulted a police officer
around here, we're taught not to do that
because, you know - it's against the law
as i said, the first response was the non-lethal weapon
it failed
what was the cop sposed to do at that point?
let the kid go?
I see this paper claiming that, speaking as if its first person, this has not been established. In any paper that gets anywhere near it, it is alleged by the parents lawyer and then what is alleged that is that the headlights in his new patrol car is misaligned low beams that were very bright.
yes, in Michigan its illegal.
Since people often flash others to warn of officers on the road to get them to slow down and interfere with police, there is no way on earth to show this.
At any rate, its illegal to refuse to provide officers with license and registration if you are the driver. Whether or not you think you did anything wrong, this has been upheld repeatedly.
gcthomas
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He must have had enough information, such as the car's plate, to identify the kid later and have him picked up later. That's what happens in civilised societies which don't want to spend young lives freely.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Don't tell me....let me guess. You're a liberal.
Do you even bow your head to God?
Were you the decider of whether your parents deserved your respect, and what age were you allowed to make that judgment. Two, Twelve, or Fifteen?
Teachers.....did they lose your respect when they made you turn in your homework?
When men do what is right in their own eyes instead of what is right, we have the very mess we see around us today. Good job, LIBS. You get the credit.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ahh, i see
so you think the scenario should have played out like this:
1. cop pulls over stoned kid
2. stoned kid refuses to cooperate with routine traffic stop
3. cop attempts to arrest kid
4. kid resists arrest, fights with cop
5. cop deploys non-lethal weapon, unsuccessfully, while stoned kid whales on his face
6. cop helps kid up, escorts him back to his car and let's him go even though he's not yet seen any id
Spoiler
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
and so, frost was justified in pulling guilford over, and was justified in attempting to arrest him
and he was justified in subduing him when he fought