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Town Heretic

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Nope. If you're guilty you're in trouble.
To add to anna, because no innocent man was ever convicted, let alone charged. :rolleyes:

Nope. If you're indebted you're in trouble.
Civil suits cover everything from slip and falls, actions for trespass and border disputes to debt.

Idiot governments are another hindrance to justice.
Governments like the men they serve and represent, are imperfect. But to say they're a hindrance is too broad, like suggesting laws are a hindrance to justice.

Innocence means you're not in danger of proper judgement.
Which would be great if people always got judgment right. But...supra.

That is what this discussion was about. Justice.
And the elements that thwart or accomplish it are important.

You're position is a bit like the blind man grasping the elephants tail and declaring he's grappling with a snake.
 

Stripe

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To add to anna, because no innocent man was ever convicted, let alone charged.
We're talking about justice, not injustice.

Lawyers are unnecessary in order for justice to be served.

Governments like the men they serve and represent, are imperfect. But to say they're a hindrance is too broad, like suggesting laws are a hindrance to justice.
You missed the adjective.
 

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We're talking about justice, not injustice.
Like saying we aren't talking about sin when we address salvation. But in part I was noting you writing things that just weren't correct and still aren't.

Lawyers are unnecessary in order for justice to be served.
They mostly aren't and for a number of reasons we can get into if you like.

You missed the adjective.
No, I saw it. You didn't distinguish. It could as easily be read that you find governments idiotic, as opposed to particular ones. Given what you'd written prior who knew?
 

Stripe

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Like saying we aren't talking about sin when we address salvation. But in part I was noting you writing things that just weren't correct and still aren't.
You definitely don't need a lawyer for salvation. :plain:

They mostly aren't and for a number of reasons we can get into if you like.
In every case, they aren't.
 

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Jukia declares his intention to become a Bible believing Christian:
Gonna quote mine, gotta take the bad and the good.



"take the bad and the good" eh?

Now where do you suppose that quote was mined from?


Job 2:10 said:
What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?



Good for you Juke! :thumb:
 

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Did Pastor Bob have a lawyer before he went to the pokey?

Well he shouldn't have been arrested in the first place. So there.:rolleyes:

Plus from what I can tell the desperate little grandstander tries to get arrested on a regular basis, so he's not exactly in any position to complain.
 

JPPT1974

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Not a big fan of lawyers. As I like teachers ok. As really lawyers are criticized for being ambulance chasers and too overzealous! But teachers don't seem to want to teach kids these days. Back in the days I went to school in the 1980s!
 

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Lawyers are completely unnecessary in order for justice to be served.

David Renz Accused Of Killing Woman Raping Child In New York Mall Carjacking


Syracuse, NY – Authorities state 29-year-old David J. Renz, previously court ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device for child pornography possession, disabled and removed his anklet shortly before conducting a violent carjacking.

The carjacking occurred about 150 miles west of Albany, New York near Syracuse in Clay. Renz abducted 47-year-old Lori A. Bresnahan and her 10-year-old daughter in the parking lot at Great Northern Mall as they were leaving gymnastics class Thursday evening.

Investigators allege Renz bound the two, fatally stabbed Bresnahan multiple times, and raped the 10-year-old.

The girl was later found by a motorist. The driver called 911 and told dispatchers he witnessed a man fleeing the scene. Police sent officers and Renz was captured a short time later in a wooded area. The child was taken to the hospital for treatment.

It was unclear how the girl managed to escape or when during the abduction Bresnahan was killed. Investigators are still trying to piece together the timeline of events.

Renz had been charged in federal court January from a June arrest where he was caught in possession of child pornography on an encrypted hard drive by the FBI.

He eventually admitted to using the internet as a means to view and download 500 videos and 3,000 illicit pornographic images of children, and had done so for at least six years.

Renz was allowed to remain free because of a prosecutor requested court extension in his pending child porn case. Investigators required additional time to sort through the extensive evidence.

Without a prior criminal history, Renz was given homebound electronic monitoring in lieu of detainment so long as he remained home at night, off the internet, and away from schools, parks, and other areas populated with children.

Renz had been living with his mother after losing his supermarket job. Before Thursday’s attacks Renz cut his GPS tracker. The monitoring company failed to immediately detect the removal until Renz had already committed the crimes.

Following his Thursday night arrest, Renz claimed he was assaulted by other inmates at the Onondaga County Justice Center, and now has a broken nose. Renz was arraigned in court Friday on felony charges of murder, rape, and kidnapping. He is being held without bail.



Stripe - do you see any reason that the attorney responsible for Renz' being free shouldn't be sentenced to death right alongside him?
 

Stripe

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Both words sum up Stripe pretty well when "boring" and "imbecile" won't do.
Ah, gaynit - ever unable to resist spewing his hatred of me.

How we wish he would just stick to his hypocritical claim that he ignores me.

Stripe - do you see any reason that the attorney responsible for Renz' being free shouldn't be sentenced to death right alongside him?
He was just doing his job when he worked so hard to get a murdering rapist out on the streets again. :rolleyes:
 

Town Heretic

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...He was just doing his job when he worked so hard to get a murdering rapist out on the streets again. :rolleyes:
That's not his job. That's another thing you (and many laymen) don't understand about the law and those whose job is to serve the Court and the administration of justice. The defense attorney's job is to protect his client's rights and to present a vigorous rebuttal to the state on behalf of a client who is clothed in the presumption of innocence. The state, with its considerably more impressive resource base has the job of making the case to overcome that. If the state does its job and the defense attorney does his then justice is usually served.

By and large prosecutors advance reasonably solid cases and most of those don't even have to go to trial.
 

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Stripe said:
Ah, gaynit - ever unable to resist spewing his hatred of me.

How we wish he would just stick to his hypocritical claim that he ignores me.

Pray for his black soul

He was just doing his job when he worked so hard to get a murdering rapist out on the streets again. :rolleyes:

No, he wasn't a murdering rapist at the point where he was released, he was an accused child pornographer.

Nice of the lawyer involved to give him the opportunity to act on his evil impulses though, eh?
 

Town Heretic

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To any still concerned: the lawyer did the same job he'd do for you or your son or daughter were they accused of something by the state. Accused and presumed innocent absent a trial on the merits and a verdict.
 

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To summarize:

The lawyer did his job.
The pervert did his.
A mother is dead.
A child is forever scarred.
The pervert is in jail.
The lawyer is merrily whistling while making payments on his BMW.


This is considered "justice" in the America of the liberal progressive.
 

Town Heretic

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To summarize:

The lawyer did his job.
Which, the prosecutor? The defense attorney? It's interesting how little attention the prosecutorial wing is getting.

The pervert did his.
You're saying he made a living as a pervert or you're trying to link the lawyer and the pervert more closely by misusing the term. Either way it's wrong.

A mother is dead.
A child is forever scarred.
The pervert is in jail.
That's true and tragic.

The lawyer is merrily whistling while making payments on his BMW.
And this is the equal of the job bit. There's no reason to believe the lawyer in question is less than saddened by the turn of events. To suggest his only consideration was financial and that he'd be happy is unsupported by human nature and any known fact.

This is considered "justice" in the America of the liberal progressive.
No one has suggested the outcome was just, liberal or otherwise.

Justice would have entailed a trial and a verdict.
 
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