Feminism

[Rusha]

Sinful men misusing the Word of God for their own evil purposes does not negate it's authority.

Do you believe that sinful men misusing the Bible for their own evil purposes should have authority?

They are doing evil, as you have suggested, so why would anyone believe someone should *follow their lead* into evil?

Should the wife of a professing Christian man stay silent and accept his pornography, drug abuse, drinking, adultery and/or abuse? Should she be joining him in these "sinful" activities?

I expect someone who commands the authority of others to be moral and responsible. If they can't even manage that, they can take their request for authority and stick it in their ear.

 

[Rusha]

Translation: nimrod wants

We know.

 

[Desert Reign]

The Bible has everything to do with it.
For Christians, the Bible is our source of faith and practice.
Sinful men misusing the Word of God for their own evil purposes does not negate it's authority.

That's out of context. I was referring to the abuse of women. The Bible has nothing to do with this and is not the origin of it.

 

[Rusha]

That's out of context. I was referring to the abuse of women. The Bible has nothing to do with this and is not the origin of it.

I would like to follow this up ...

Is abuse acceptable towards a wife for those who are shrieking about a husbands authority over his wife.

Is adultery, drugs, porn, etc. acceptable?

 

[Tambora]

That's quite a generalization. I don't think all men are bad, not by a long shot. However, women have indeed been historically oppressed by men who exerted power over them in societies which allowed it without question.

Yes, there were many women that were oppressed by men.
For some odd reason, they thought the bible taught that women (wives)should be servants of men (husbands).


The husband of a marriage is compared to the head (Christ), and the wife of the marriage is compared to the body.
Christ said He came to serve, not to be served. (Matt 20:28)

Scripture says that the husband is to treat his wife as he would his own body.
It is Christ that gave Himself for the church (wife), not the other way around.



I remember years ago (late 70's or early 80's) that the Pope was asked his opinion of the feminist movement.
I loved his answer.
(This may not be his actual words, but I will paraphrase what I remember.)
He said that the reason so many women were trying to fulfill the role of men was because there were not enough men trying to fulfill the role of men.

 

[annabenedetti]

Secular feminism is from the devil. It in spirit, opposes the biblical role of women given by God.

It is my opinion women should never have been given the right to vote.

Voting against feminists has become a duty, that was imposed on me by feminists.

The little devils insisted voting "rights" upon women who did not approve or want to begin with.

It is not evil to vote. Where does it say it is?

Nang says it's wrong, that she doesn't approve, that women should never have been given the right to vote, that it was imposed by feminists who oppose the biblical role of women.

If she believes it wrong for women to vote, yet votes anyway (supposedly to cancel out feminists) then she, by her own words, is doing evil so that good may come from it.

 

[Rusha]

Yes, there were many women that were oppressed by men.
For some odd reason, they thought the bible taught that women (wives)should be servants of men (husbands).

The husband of a marriage is compared to the head (Christ), and the wife of the marriage is compared to the body.
Christ said He came to serve, not to be served. (Matt 20:28)

Scripture says that the husband is to treat his wife as he would his own body.
It is Christ that gave Himself for the church (wife), not the other way around.

Great post, Tambora. IF this were the case, I do not believe that feminism would exist.

 

[annabenedetti]

Yes, there were many women that were oppressed by men.
For some odd reason, they thought the bible taught that women (wives)should be servants of men (husbands).


The husband of a marriage is compared to the head (Christ), and the wife of the marriage is compared to the body.
Christ said He came to serve, not to be served. (Matt 20:28)

Scripture says that the husband is to treat his wife as he would his own body.
It is Christ that gave Himself for the church (wife), not the other way around.



I remember years ago (late 70's or early 80's) that the Pope was asked his opinion of the feminist movement.
I loved his answer.
(This may not be his actual words, but I will paraphrase what I remember.)
He said that the reason so many women were trying to fulfill the role of men was because there were not enough men trying to fulfill the role of men.

Beautifully stated, Tambora.

 

[The 5 solas]

Do you believe that sinful men misusing the Bible for their own evil purposes should have authority?

They are doing evil, as you have suggested, so why would anyone believe someone should *follow their lead* into evil?

Should the wife of a professing Christian man stay silent and accept his pornography, drug abuse, drinking, adultery and/or abuse? Should she be joining him in these "sinful" activities?

Every single comment I have made has said or implied that the Scriptures need to be used properly. A godless man or someone who claims the label *Christian* but does not abide by the Scriptures, who participates in such things that you have stated should be one that a woman separates herself and her children from if their safety is an issue. Never have I said they should follow their lead in sinful matters.

The abuse of the Word of God does not negate it's authority. From that scenario, that man may profess Christ but his life does not testify that he is a Christian. Whether a man is or is not a Christian or tries to bear the label....a woman should always flee with her children to safety. If they are members of a local church body, this would become a matter of church discipline.

I expect someone who commands the authority of others to be moral and responsible. If they can't even manage that, they can take their request for authority and stick it in their ear.

Yes, we do expect that. We expect it of our leaders, the government, the police, the church, the military, health professionals, teachers, coaches, etc...all those who hold positions of authority. Yet, we do not get it. These positions are held by humans, who are sinful. Praise God when we find some that do honour their positions of authority.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Read her post, Nang. Not *him* directly, but attitudes like his ...

Here is what Anna was referring to:

According to Jabin, a woman should stay in an abusive marriage rather than divorcing, and he reduces abuse to "a few bruises." Mere collateral damage, in other words.

Do you agree with what he said? IF so, then you are part of the problem. Anyone who put domestic abuse down to "a few bruises" as collateral damage does not value women ...

Amen and any man who thinks its ok to give a woman a few bruises doesnt deserve a wife, and any christian man or woman who defends such is messed up in the head.

There is no part of smacking someone around in loving them as Christ loves the church, nor mutual submission as the bible states should be happening.

 

[Rusha]

Amen and any man who thinks its ok to give a woman a few bruises doesnt deserve a wife, and any christian man or woman who defends such is messed up in the head.

There is no part of smacking someone around in loving them as Christ loves the church, nor mutual submission as the bible states should be happening.

Exactly ... it's hard to believe there are those who would argue against the evil of domestic abuse.

 

[The 5 solas]

The husband of a marriage is compared to the head (Christ), and the wife of the marriage is compared to the body.
Christ said He came to serve, not to be served. (Matt 20:28)

Scripture says that the husband is to treat his wife as he would his own body.
It is Christ that gave Himself for the church (wife), not the other way around.

Very true.
The Scripture also says:

Genesis 3:16b
"Your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.”

1 Corinthians 11:3
"But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God."

Ephesians 5:22-24
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands."

Colossians 3:18
"Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

Titus 2:5
"to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled."

There are even more verses, but that should suffice.

These verses represent a glorious picture of what a Christian marriage should look like. I know it is difficult for those who have had bad marriages, were children in bad marriages, have had an abusive husband or father. However, this kind of Biblical marriage is what we should desire. Some feminists think this is oppressive. It makes me think of the fact that we are slaves to Christ when we become Christians, and yet, that is the only place where true freedom can be found.

I keep saying....equality with role distinctions.
Within the Godhead we see the Son submitting Himself to the Father and yet that did not make Him less worthy in any way.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Yes, there were many women that were oppressed by men.
For some odd reason, they thought the bible taught that women (wives)should be servants of men (husbands).


The husband of a marriage is compared to the head (Christ), and the wife of the marriage is compared to the body.
Christ said He came to serve, not to be served. (Matt 20:28)

Scripture says that the husband is to treat his wife as he would his own body.
It is Christ that gave Himself for the church (wife), not the other way around.



I remember years ago (late 70's or early 80's) that the Pope was asked his opinion of the feminist movement.
I loved his answer.
(This may not be his actual words, but I will paraphrase what I remember.)
He said that the reason so many women were trying to fulfill the role of men was because there were not enough men trying to fulfill the role of men.

Well said, i think its that exactly as well.

 

[chrysostom]

It has helped destroy the family unit by making women dissatisfied with their roles as wives and mothers, leading to the disintegration of society overall.
.

exactly

 

[Angel4Truth]

Ephesians 5:22–24

Marriage—Christ and the Church

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

And many men ignore verse 21, the one right before this:

21 submitting to one another in the fear of God.

Submission is a role for the believer, period be they man or woman.

 

[chrysostom]

It depends on what you see as feminism.

you only see what you want to see
you are afraid of being controlled
but
it is okay
if
the feminists control you

 

[Nang]

Exactly ... it's hard to believe there are those who would argue against the evil of domestic abuse.

Christian counselors do not argue against the evil of domestic abuse . . this is just a feminist excuse that evidences distrust and hatred of men.

There are biblical solutions to abusive marriages, but rebelling against God's declared order (Genesis 3:16) solves nothing.

In fact, feminist rebellion has worsened the problems in the home and in marriages.

 

[chrysostom]

Secular feminism is from the devil. It in spirit, opposes the biblical role of women given by God. :devil:

Secular feminism is wicked; it's true premise being that all men are bad, and out to oppress women. :devil:

thank you nang

 

[Angel4Truth]

you only see what you want to see
you are afraid of being controlled
but
it is okay
if
the feminists control you

Being "controlled" by another person is not a position of any christian biblically.

Thats the position of the fall, as a result of sin men would seek to rule over women. So it has happened and is shown daily, its not a good thing.

 

[Rusha]

Christian counselors do not argue against the evil of domestic abuse

Show where I said they did ... or that's right, I didn't. I would expect ANY real Christian to agree that it is wrong. Or was it just predestined to happen.

Stick to things you know about, Nang ... that way you will have plenty of free time.