Maine’s Top Prosecutor Sues Pastor for Pro-Life Preaching Outside of PP

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Maine’s Top Prosecutor Sues Pastor for Pro-Life Preaching, Pleading Outside of Planned Parenthood

PORTLAND, Maine — In an unprecedented move against the free speech of Christians, Maine’s state attorney general has filed a civil rights lawsuit against a pastor over his pro-life preaching outside of a Planned Parenthood facility in Portland.

Attorney General Janet Mills, a pro-abortion Democrat, is seeking to keep Lebanon pastor Brian Ingalls, 26, from standing within 50 feet of the Planned Parenthood facility—or any Planned Parenthood location in Maine.

Planned Parenthood has faced numerous protests nationwide from pro-life Americans as the organization is currently under Congressional investigation for its harvesting and sale of the body parts of aborted babies. The Portland location is the only Planned Parenthood in Maine that performs abortions, although the state has four abortion facilities that murder 2,000 children a year on average.

Ingalls is among a number of Christians who regularly seek to help women outside of the Portland Planned Parenthood, including women who formerly had abortions and are now seeking to turn mothers’ hearts from death to life.

Mills alleges in her lawsuit that Ingalls spoke too loudly on Oct. 23 about “murdering babies, aborted babies’ blood and Jesus” while preaching outside of Planned Parenthood to the point that his pro-life pleas could be heard in the room where examinations take place.

She asserts that Ingalls didn’t lower his voice enough that particular day after being approached by police and contends that his passionate preaching “demonstrates his intent to interfere with the safe and effective delivery of health services at Planned Parenthood.”

“All patients have the right to receive medical services free of ‘the cacophony of political protests,’ in the words of the United States Supreme Court,” she wrote in a statement. “While protesters have every right to say anything they want in a public area in the vicinity of a medical facility, they are not permitted to disrupt another citizen’s health care services.”

The lawsuit is the first time in the state’s history that the Maine Civil Rights Act has been used against pro-life Christians and in defense of abortionists. Ingalls faces a $5,000 fine for each violation if Mills is successful in her legal challenge.

“For reasons that can only be described as politically motivated, the attorney general has transformed an unverified noise complaint by Planned Parenthood into a civil rights complaint against a young Christian pro-life advocate,” writes the Thomas More Law Center, which is defending Ingalls in court.

“Sadly, through her baseless lawsuit, the attorney general threatens to fine a young hard-working father and Christian up to $5,000 for peacefully preaching the Bible on the public sidewalk,” it said.

The city of Portland recently lost a lawsuit that challenged their imposed 39-foot buffer zone, which essentially pushed pro-lifers to stand across the street from the facility, where they could not provide help to abortion-minded women. The city agreed to pay $56,500 in legal fees over the matter.

Mills’ request to keep Ingalls 50 feet away from the facility would force him to stand at an even greater distance from the facility than the previous ordinance had required—which had to be repealed following a ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court that found even a 35-foot buffer zone in Massachusetts to be unconstitutional.

Janet Mills is overzealous for her pet cause - she is the founder of the "Maine Womens Lobby"

The Maine Women's Policy Center is the sister organization to the Maine Women's Lobby and is dedicated to creating equality for Maine's women and girls. It holds four main areas to be the focus of its goals: economic security, civil rights, freedom from violence, and secure health care and reproductive rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Women's_Lobby

Unless the courts are totally gone these days, she will lose this one, as other cases based on the same thing, ultimately have been lost.

The Pastor has a right to free speech and to protest.
 

The Horn

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Good for her ! And she's NOT "pro-abortion ". She's PRO CHOICE . This protester is not "pro-life - he's ANTI-CHOICE . Pro FORCED birth .
Anti-choice troublemakers like this don't "help women" as this article disingenuously states . They harass women, period . And they have absolutely no right to do this .
Reports of Planned Parenthood supposedly "selling body parts" were revealed from the beginning as a blatant lie spread by the "Center for medical progress " (What an Orwellian name ! ).
 

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“All patients have the right to receive medical services free of ‘the cacophony of political protests,’ in the words of the United States Supreme Court,” she wrote in a statement. “While protesters have every right to say anything they want in a public area in the vicinity of a medical facility, they are not permitted to disrupt another citizen’s health care services.”
I don't see this as being unreasonable.
 

PureX

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The right to free speech and public protest is limited by the right of public peace, commerce and safety. So this issue depends on the specifics, as most of these cases do.

I think these "protestors" are foolish, however, in that they are totally ineffective by their own intent. Shouting sermons at clinics doesn't do anything but annoy everyone living and working in the area. If they want to effect change, they should be working to change the hearts and minds of their many pro-choice fellow citizens. And annoying everyone with protests and sermons isn't going to do that. In fact, all that's going to do is further entrench people's opinion, with anger. They need to do just the opposite of what they are doing, and that is to behave calmly and reasonably as they campaign to change people's hearts and minds.

But they rarely do that.
 
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Good for her ! And she's NOT "pro-abortion ". She's PRO CHOICE

right - the choice to murder a child

like this one:

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. This protester is not "pro-life - he's ANTI-CHOICE

right - he's against the choice of murdering a child

like this one:

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Anti-choice troublemakers like this don't "help women" as this article disingenuously states . They harass women, period .

women who want to murder children

in a just world, they would be executed



And they have absolutely no right to do this

never learned about the 1st amendment, eh? :chuckle:
 

Quetzal

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How is it reasonable to deny free speech because of thin walls?
Free speech isn't being denied, at least, it shouldn't be. They have a right to protest, even if I don't like it. But this kind of problem will need a solution. If the health of the patients is being compromised due to their actions, a little bit of give and take is needed.
 

PureX

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Free speech isn't being denied, at least, it shouldn't be. They have a right to protest, even if I don't like it. But this kind of problem will need a solution. If the health of the patients is being compromised due to their actions, a little bit of give and take is needed.
We don't have the right to protest anywhere, anytime, for any reason. Public peace and safety necessitates some restrictions.
 

The Horn

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The first amendment has to do with FREE SPEECH . It does not give anyone the right to HARASS another person or create a public nuisance . This is exactly what this protester was doing, and just what all the other anti-choice protesters do .
These protesters routinely scream at women, push and shove them,
try to block their entrance into women's health care facilities, even ones who are NOT going in for an abortion, just to receive medical care , and much more . This is HARASSMENT , not free speech, and is NOT protected by the first amendment .
 

HisServant

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Good for her ! And she's NOT "pro-abortion ". She's PRO CHOICE . This protester is not "pro-life - he's ANTI-CHOICE . Pro FORCED birth .
Anti-choice troublemakers like this don't "help women" as this article disingenuously states . They harass women, period . And they have absolutely no right to do this .
Reports of Planned Parenthood supposedly "selling body parts" were revealed from the beginning as a blatant lie spread by the "Center for medical progress " (What an Orwellian name ! ).

So you are pro-irresponsible.

If people acted responsibly, abortion would almost never be needed.
 

bybee

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The first amendment has to do with FREE SPEECH . It does not give anyone the right to HARASS another person or create a public nuisance . This is exactly what this protester was doing, and just what all the other anti-choice protesters do .
These protesters routinely scream at women, push and shove them,
try to block their entrance into women's health care facilities, even ones who are NOT going in for an abortion, just to receive medical care , and much more . This is HARASSMENT , not free speech, and is NOT protected by the first amendment .

I felt the same way about the Black Panthers with billy clubs patrolling outside of voting places. Did that bother you also?
 

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His Servant , you're only partially correct . A major cause of abortion is POVERTY , not "irresponsibility ". Many women who have abortions all over the world are NOT irresponsible, promiscuous young single women but MARRIED ones who are too poor to provide for children . If they HAD given birth, those children would have
STARVED or worse .
 

HisServant

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His Servant , you're only partially correct . A major cause of abortion is POVERTY , not "irresponsibility ". Many women who have abortions all over the world are NOT irresponsible, promiscuous young single women but MARRIED ones who are too poor to provide for children . If they HAD given birth, those children would have
STARVED or worse .

Yet, in america, every woman that wants birth control can get it for free if they are willing to just ask... some places will just throw it at you (WIC for example).

Anyhow, now that the ACA is in effect and everyone is supposed to have a primary care physician that can dispense preventative care at no charge.... there a no excuses for not using birth control anymore and being responsible.
 

PureX

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So you are pro-irresponsible.

If people acted responsibly, abortion would almost never be needed.
See, it's comments and attitudes like this that ensure that abortion will remain legal, because the people who want to ban it don't understand how to relate to the people who want it to remain legal (which are the majority in this country). So instead of reasoning with them calmly and politely, and perhaps changing their hearts and minds, they insult and dismiss them, ensuring that they will not even listen to the anti-abortion position in the future.

And this has been the general trend for a long time. Which has a lot to do with why abortion is still legal, and will very likely remain so for the foreseeable future.
 

Seekingtruth21

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First, I don't think that Christians need to be preaching about politics as much as they need to be preaching the Gospel. We can't make people republicans, we have to make disciples.

Second, if they have to preach about politics it's best to invite people to church. The time and place matters. We don't live in first century Judea where John the Baptist preached in the Jordan River and people flocked to him. This is the modern world. We have got to bring about a modern version of Christianity. This thing of preaching in the streets just causes hatred from both sides.
 

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First, I don't think that Christians need to be preaching about politics as much as they need to be preaching the Gospel. We can't make people republicans, we have to make disciples.

Mark 12:30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'
31 The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

James 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
 

Jose Fly

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Interesting case. Noise ordinance wise, this is a pretty easy case. If the sermon is so loud it can be heard inside the clinic, he can be fined for disturbing the peace. Civil rights? That might be a tougher case to make.
 
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