What makes you think they don't do experiments? The Very Large Array in New Mexico is a radio telescope that is constantly collecting data. Astronomers request time on the array to collect data on specific areas. Once the data comes in, it is shared with the world and scientists try to see if their hypothesis match the data or not. If not, the revise the hypothesis and and see if the revision makes sense. Sometimes they do and it stands for a while only to be rejected later as more data comes in. You see, you are drawing conclusions without knowing anything about how science is actually done. You base your conclusions on YouTube videos that are created by people as ignorant as you. (Note: Ignorance is not an insult. Ignorant simply means that we do not know something. It is cured by books and study at schools.)
This is probably the best sentence in this entire thread. :up:
Yes, atheists average 5 IQ points higher than christians on most such surveys. So what is engaging for a capable christian should prove dull for an atheist, on average.
References, please. And citations to proper science, not wide-eyed idiots broadcasting themselves on YouTube. Everything is relative, so the question is stationary compared to what?
As you may have forgotten, I have given you more than one example of me verifying the global shape myself.
Are you referring to the moron in that latest video? His main argument was a strawman, in which he destroyed what he claimed to be everyone's observation that the horizon is above eye level. But looking 13 kilometres away at a sea horizon gives you no concept of relative height at all. Look along a tangent at a right angle to the centre of gravity and you look up into the sky.
Not when it is a strawman argument. By putting the word 'self' in there you are already poisoning the well. The universe is not a 'self' in the way people generally use that word in reference to humans or other animals, rather you seek to imply there would need to be some personal being, but of course there isn't, so perhaps you could reword my 'delusion' to make it reflect what I actually believe.
You still haven't explained why it is a problem. That will involve you citing mathematical relationships, which will then show that actually there is no problem.
Well if you make the assumption that there is an invisible being that created everything and cannot love the things it made enough to let them be free, then there is some logic in becoming a robot with the status of a worm and doing everything you think it tells you, to avoid the totalitarian dictator punishing you. You are born bad, but commanded to be well, and the only way to do that is to accept a human sacrifice, which takes away your wrongdoing from you through the hideous concept of vicarious punishment.
Lets not get too far off the topic. Lets keep focused on the shape of our earth.
Obviously a fair point. I think part of the problem is that Patrick Jane in particular has been linking the whole thing to Jesus somehow. I don't think Jesus is responsible for ancient Jewish ignorance of the basic workings of the solar system.Lets not get too far off the topic. Lets keep focused on the shape of our earth.
Lets not get too far off the topic. Lets keep focused on the shape of our earth.