The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[freelight]

Blessings

Blessings

Thank you for your reply. However, once again without reading anything but your post, you said no to channeling, then describe the method which is clearly a form of channeling, whether awake or asleep, it does not matter to the entities. RUN for your life, would be my considered advice, as something that resembles this :angrymob: is after you.

You're welcome,...you're free to research all of my posts,...for me its mostly about 'creative dialogue' and 'expansion of consciousness'

We repeat,...the papers came about thru a means that is unique and mysterious (beyond what has been revealed),....all 'revelation' or 'messages' must come thru a human 'medium'. (and don't get mislead by our use of 'terms' - just understand what the word is conveying,....don't jump to conclusions). - All religious writings, no matter what level their 'inspiration' or 'genuineness' (it will vary thru human instruments and what 'rapport' is attained)...are 'channeled' more or less. Again we can quibble over words,...and I personally have no problem with the term 'channel' or 'medium', there's no reason to fear it...or any other religious misconception.

You are free to educate yourself properly on this particular epochal revelation (if not, you're fee to leave it, but do yourself the dignity first to discover what it truly teaches and what it truly is by honest research/study), since the text and all educational resources are available if you would come to know the fundamental theology here. A reading of the first dozen papers is sufficient to lay down the foundation on 'God', the cosmos, God's relationship with all others, including the divine personalities with-in the Paradise Trinity, and so much more. Since there are 196 papers,..thats a lot of information.

There is no 'fear' in love, and the UB is a revelation of our Heavenly Father's LOVE....and charts for us the wonderful journey of the soul's evolution and progress in this world and in the 'worlds' to come.

 

[Zeke]

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-90-shamanism-medicine-men-and-priests?term=shamanism#search-jump-result-0

The Urantia Book


Paper 90


Shamanism — Medicine Men and Priests​

90:0.1 (986.1)" THE evolution of religious observances progressed from placation, avoidance, exorcism, coercion, conciliation, and propitiation to sacrifice, atonement, and redemption. The technique of religious ritual passed from the forms of the primitive cult through fetishes to magic and miracles; and as ritual became more complex in response to man’s increasingly complex concept of the supermaterial realms, it was inevitably dominated by medicine men, shamans, and priests.

90:0.2 (986.2) In the advancing concepts of primitive man the spirit world was eventually regarded as being unresponsive to the ordinary mortal. Only the exceptional among humans could catch the ear of the gods; only the extraordinary man or woman would be heard by the spirits. Religion thus enters upon a new phase, a stage wherein it gradually becomes secondhanded; always does a medicine man, a shaman, or a priest intervene between the religionist and the object of worship. And today most Urantia systems of organized religious belief are passing through this level of evolutionary development.

90:0.3 (986.3) Evolutionary religion is born of a simple and all-powerful fear, the fear which surges through the human mind when confronted with the unknown, the inexplicable, and the incomprehensible. Religion eventually achieves the profoundly simple realization of an all-powerful love, the love which sweeps irresistibly through the human soul when awakened to the conception of the limitless affection of the Universal Father for the sons of the universe. But in between the beginning and the consummation of religious evolution, there intervene the long ages of the shamans, who presume to stand between man and God as intermediaries, interpreters, and intercessors.

1. The First Shamans — The Medicine Men​

90:1.1 (986.4) The shaman was the ranking medicine man, the ceremonial fetishman, and the focus personality for all the practices of evolutionary religion. In many groups the shaman outranked the war chief, marking the beginning of the church domination of the state. The shaman sometimes functioned as a priest and even as a priest-king. Some of the later tribes had both the earlier shaman-medicine men (seers) and the later appearing shaman-priests. And in many cases the office of shaman became hereditary.

90:1.2 (986.5) Since in olden times anything abnormal was ascribed to spirit possession, any striking mental or physical abnormality constituted qualification for being a medicine man. Many of these men were epileptic, many of the women hysteric, and these two types accounted for a good deal of ancient inspiration as well as spirit and devil possession. Quite a few of these earliest of priests were of a class which has since been denominated paranoiac.

90:1.3 (987.1) While they may have practiced deception in minor matters, the great majority of the shamans believed in the fact of their spirit possession. Women who were able to throw themselves into a trance or a cataleptic fit became powerful shamanesses; later, such women became prophets and spirit mediums. Their cataleptic trances usually involved alleged communications with the ghosts of the dead. Many female shamans were also professional dancers.

90:1.4 (987.2) But not all shamans were self-deceived; many were shrewd and able tricksters. As the profession developed, a novice was required to serve an apprenticeship of ten years of hardship and self-denial to qualify as a medicine man. The shamans developed a professional mode of dress and affected a mysterious conduct. They frequently employed drugs to induce certain physical states which would impress and mystify the tribesmen. Sleight-of-hand feats were regarded as supernatural by the common folk, and ventriloquism was first used by shrewd priests. Many of the olden shamans unwittingly stumbled onto hypnotism; others induced autohypnosis by prolonged staring at their navels.

90:1.5 (987.3) While many resorted to these tricks and deceptions, their reputation as a class, after all, stood on apparent achievement. When a shaman failed in his undertakings, if he could not advance a plausible alibi, he was either demoted or killed. Thus the honest shamans early perished; only the shrewd actors survived.

90:1.6 (987.4) It was shamanism that took the exclusive direction of tribal affairs out of the hands of the old and the strong and lodged it in the hands of the shrewd, the clever, and the farsighted." UB 1955

Yet energy of the past is still present, to disregard it has being alleged is suspect.

 

[freelight]

More to consider............

More to consider............

Then it would be communicating with something that is not of HaShem/God.

Man has communicated with God and his spirit-helpers from time immemorial. One does not have to communicate to the Universal Father himself (as if one could directly) when we have a pre-personal fragment of 'God' himself indwelling our minds (as the 'thought-adjuster'), our Creator-Son (Jesus) and his Spirit of truth, the Infinite Spirit, guardian angels/seraphim, mid-wayers, etc. Since 'God' is the Lord of 'hosts',...he has innumerable servant-messagers doing his bidding thru-out the cosmos,..and this local universe is just one of thousands, if not millions within the Grand Universe.

That's easy. NO. There is a gift called discerning of spiritS for a reason. There's the Ruach HaKodesh/Holy Spirit, then the spirit of man, then everything else that is not of either one. Only one is infallible, all-seeing, righteous, the Truth, and HOLY.

I don't understand your 'assumption' above,...since there are obviously more spirits than just God's Spirit and man's spirit,....and surely 'God' as the Lord of hosts, has millions of angels (of various kinds and orders...the UB covers many of these different orders), so these 'spirits' are surely 'spirits' of 'God'. They who are serving 'God' then are 'good' spirits. Remember, 'God' is the Father of spirits. I think you're limiting 'God' and working under a pretty narrow-minded constrained theological frame-work and belief-system.

These are part of the seducing spirits that we were warned would come in the last days.

Its good to be cautious and of course always use as much spiritual discernment as you can....moment to moment,.....but God is Love,....there is no 'fear' in Love. There is nothing to fear in fact, when you are grounded in reality itself, which is 'God'....since that 'presence' is wholly full, total, complete, eternally sure. There seems to be so much 'fear' behind some theologies, that one wonders how much of that theology is actually based on 'God',....since it seems the imagination is given over to a fear of demons behind every bush, or 'seducing spirits' at every corner. A reading of the first 12 papers will remedy those misconceptions. But don't presuppose anything too soon,...the papers also go much into the 'Lucifer Rebellion'....so yes...there was an angelic rebellion, as 'sin' is deliberate disloyalty to God and his ways.

 

[RBBI]

@ Caino.....I'm sorry but if you have a point, I'm simply not getting it.

@ Zeke......I know you didn't quote my post, but I have no idea what you said.

 

[RBBI]

Man has communicated with God and his spirit-helpers from time immemorial. One does not have to communicate to the Universal Father himself (as if one could directly) when we have a pre-personal fragment of 'God' himself indwelling our minds (as the 'thought-adjuster'), our Creator-Son (Jesus) and his Spirit of truth, the Infinite Spirit, guardian angels/seraphim, mid-wayers, etc. Since 'God' is the Lord of 'hosts',...he has innumerable servant-messagers doing his bidding thru-out the cosmos,..and this local universe is just one of thousands, if not millions within the Grand Universe.

We can communicate with Father, and it's done through His Spirit, which is received with the baptism in the Spirit. Our carnal minds are enmity against HaShem. That means, His enemy. Since He doesn't have enemies that are flesh and blood, but rather spirits, then it follows that it is a spirit, the spirit of man, and it has no divine characteristics whatsoever, and is the tree in the garden we were told to not eat of.



I don't understand your 'assumption' above,...since there are obviously more spirits than just God's Spirit and man's spirit,....and surely 'God' as the Lord of hosts, has millions of angels (of various kinds and orders...the UB covers many of these different orders), so these 'spirits' are surely 'spirits' of 'God'. They who are serving 'God' then are 'good' spirits. Remember, 'God' is the Father of spirits. I think you're limiting 'God' and working under a pretty narrow-minded constrained theological frame-work and belief-system.

I'm aware He is the "Lord of hosts" and has angels. Not mentioning them was merely an oversight on my part, seeming to me to be without question or needing comment.

Forgive me if I chuckle over this last part, because I rarely if ever have been told I'm "working under a pretty narrow-minded constrained theological frame-work and belief system." :rotfl:



Its good to be cautious and of course always use as much spiritual discernment as you can....moment to moment,.....but God is Love,....there is no 'fear' in Love. There is nothing to fear in fact, when you are grounded in reality itself, which is 'God'....since that 'presence' is wholly full, total, complete, eternally sure. There seems to be so much 'fear' behind some theologies, that one wonders how much of that theology is actually based on 'God',....since it seems the imagination is given over to a fear of demons behind every bush, or 'seducing spirits' at every corner. A reading of the first 12 papers will remedy those misconceptions. But don't presuppose anything too soon,...the papers also go much into the 'Lucifer Rebellion'....so yes...there was an angelic rebellion, as 'sin' is deliberate disloyalty to God and his ways.

Why is it when one uses wisdom and chooses not to drink the kool-aide, they are accused of having fear? I have NO FEAR, because He supernaturally delivered me of it. I have had spiritual experiences that I can't even talk about except to very close friends, but the difference is that HE did it, He chose to show me something astounding or take me somewhere in the Spirit; I didn't seek to go where angels fear to tred on my own.

As for limitations, in my view you have limited YOURSELF, by excluding the sole way to satisfy the spiritual hunger you all are obviously starving for, which is to walk in the HaKodesh, seeking His face/nature which does not involve things He has expressly forbidden because they are dangerous to your very souls.

A deep walk with Him is far more astounding than any of the counterfeits you have stumbled into, and far safer. We were created with a HaShem shaped hole that only He can fill, and He gave us the means to fill it, if we will only humble ourselves to ask Him for it, it is a free gift.

As for the Lucifer rebellion: see, you already lost me on that, because Lucifer was not Satan. Peace

 

[freelight]

Lucifer......

Lucifer......

Why is it when one uses wisdom and chooses not to drink the kool-aide, they are accused of having fear? I have NO FEAR, because He supernaturally delivered me of it. I have had spiritual experiences that I can't even talk about except to very close friends, but the difference is that HE did it, He chose to show me something astounding or take me somewhere in the Spirit; I didn't seek to go where angels fear to tred on my own.

As for limitations, in my view you have limited YOURSELF, by excluding the sole way to satisfy the spiritual hunger you all are obviously starving for, which is to walk in the HaKodesh, seeking His face/nature which does not involve things He has expressly forbidden because they are dangerous to your very souls.

A deep walk with Him is far more astounding than any of the counterfeits you have stumbled into, and far safer. We were created with a HaShem shaped hole that only He can fill, and He gave us the means to fill it, if we will only humble ourselves to ask Him for it, it is a free gift.

As for the Lucifer rebellion: see, you already lost me on that, because Lucifer was not Satan.

I never implied Lucifer is the same being as Satan. The UB teaches otherwise, but still identifies one of the main rebel sons of God as 'Lucifer'. Satan, Belzebub, Caligastia, Daligastia were other fallen angels who joined rank with Lucifer.

See: Who is Lucifer?

 

[Caino]

Why is it when one uses wisdom and chooses not to drink the kool-aide, they are accused of having fear? I have NO FEAR, because He supernaturally delivered me of it. I have had spiritual experiences that I can't even talk about except to very close friends, but the difference is that HE did it, He chose to show me something astounding or take me somewhere in the Spirit; I didn't seek to go where angels fear to tred on my own.

As for limitations, in my view you have limited YOURSELF, by excluding the sole way to satisfy the spiritual hunger you all are obviously starving for, which is to walk in the HaKodesh, seeking His face/nature which does not involve things He has expressly forbidden because they are dangerous to your very souls.

A deep walk with Him is far more astounding than any of the counterfeits you have stumbled into, and far safer. We were created with a HaShem shaped hole that only He can fill, and He gave us the means to fill it, if we will only humble ourselves to ask Him for it, it is a free gift.

As for the Lucifer rebellion: see, you already lost me on that, because Lucifer was not Satan. Peace

We run into this a lot, self important phony people, disguised as someone interested, come to the discussion with their mind already made up. You haven't even read the 2,000 page book that you disagree with. That speaks for itself.

And Moses was a reformer of previous beliefs and practices. Anything that he may have written was translated into Hebrew when the OT books were all redacted and edited in Babylon. Moses predated the Hebrew language used by 1,000 years. So you would have read an original translation complete with the many errors of facts within. It looks like you have taken in quite a bit of the Zionist history revisionism Koolaid yourself.

 

[Aimiel]

Not one single fact stated in Scripture has ever been proven to be in error. Your Urantia nonsense is ALL error.

 

[RBBI]

We run into this a lot, self important phony people, disguised as someone interested, come to the discussion with their mind already made up. You haven't even read the 2,000 page book that you disagree with. That speaks for itself.

I am neither self important nor phony, but let Him decide. And it would have been hard to come to the discussion with my mind already made up, since I didn't have a clue of what it was about, nor ever heard of it.

And Moses was a reformer of previous beliefs and practices. Anything that he may have written was translated into Hebrew when the OT books were all redacted and edited in Babylon. Moses predated the Hebrew language used by 1,000 years. So you would have read an original translation complete with the many errors of facts within. It looks like you have taken in quite a bit of the Zionist history revisionism Koolaid yourself.

It looks like you're the one taken in. If you had done your homework you would know that the Torah is letter perfect, because of the great care taken in transcribing it, that no other group can claim. Each page was rigorously examined by many and if a page with more than one transcribed error was found, it was taken out and buried. This perfection has been proven even with the use of computers today with equidistant skip programs. Only a fool would not see that this kind of perfection is impossible with men, and it denotes an obvious Hand.

In addition to that, many writers of antiquity, including Josephus and Philo mention the Torah and attribute great age to them, AT THAT TIME.

Then there's this....(Deut. 4:9-10)

Only take heed and watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not forget the things that your eyes saw. Do not let this memory leave your hearts, all the days of your lives. Teach your children, and your children's children about the day you stood before Hashem your G-d at Horeb.

Horeb is another name for Mt. Sinai.

Then lets talk about the names of the people, places and things in there, which all mean something significant to our personal soul redeeming walk. Do you think it was coincidence upon coincidence that people were named things sometimes thousands of years before their name would be seen to be significant in the grand scheme of things?

 

[Caino]

It looks like you're the one taken in. If you had done your homework you would know that the Torah is letter perfect, because of the great care taken in transcribing it, that no other group can claim. Each page was rigorously examined by many and if a page with more than one transcribed error was found, it was taken out and buried. This perfection has been proven even with the use of computers today with equidistant skip programs. Only a fool would not see that this kind of perfection is impossible with men, and it denotes an obvious Hand.

In addition to that, many writers of antiquity, including Josephus and Philo mention the Torah and attribute great age to them, AT THAT TIME.

Then there's this....(Deut. 4:9-10)

Only take heed and watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not forget the things that your eyes saw. Do not let this memory leave your hearts, all the days of your lives. Teach your children, and your children's children about the day you stood before Hashem your G-d at Horeb.

Horeb is another name for Mt. Sinai.

Then lets talk about the names of the people, places and things in there, which all mean something significant to our personal soul redeeming walk. Do you think it was coincidence upon coincidence that people were named things sometimes thousands of years before their name would be seen to be significant in the grand scheme of things?

Beyond the obvious errors to the un-indoctrinated mind there are many factual errors and exaggerations in the OT. There are plenty of sites on the net that list the errors if you really desire an education. This thread as about the latest revelation of truth.

 

[Aimiel]

Again: Not one single fact stated in Scripture has ever been proven to be in error.

 

[journey]

Beyond the obvious errors to the un-indoctrinated mind there are many factual errors and exaggerations in the OT. There are plenty of sites on the net that list the errors if you really desire an education. This thread as about the latest revelation of truth.

The urantia UFO cult garbage is a fabrication of lies, plain and simple.

 

[freelight]

Jesus talk with Nathaniel......

Jesus talk with Nathaniel......

Again: Not one single fact stated in Scripture has ever been proven to be in error.

That would be a wonderful topic devoted to its own thread. The claim is rather grandiose though,...so expect a lot of examples that discount the claim

Remember Jesus discussion about the 'scriptures' with Nathaniel here? Time to refresh.

 

[freelight]

God Bless

God Bless

The urantia UFO cult garbage is a fabrication of lies, plain and simple.

Here :carryon:

 

[Charity]

Beyond the obvious errors to the un-indoctrinated mind there are many factual errors and exaggerations in the OT. There are plenty of sites on the net that list the errors if you really desire an education. This thread as about the latest revelation of truth.

The worst is Vatican City- veil, I'm afraid peter an Jesus were clearly their enemy. An as it seems they some how transformed their identity to Christian. Read the Quran bellow, those who call themselves Christians made a covenant an broke it with the Arab nation Bringing fire and brimstone at any collaboration. Vatican City should address these, an certainly stop renogatating with them today.

Quran 5.14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Do you have anything that may mention this deal between the Roman Empire an Muslims ?
An the Quran is clear about requiring it's followers to observe the historical prophets - Moses Yahweh etc Hence Allah may be a new name, yet the nations fight is still alive.

 

[Caino]

The worst is Vatican City- veil, I'm afraid peter an Jesus were clearly their enemy. An as it seems they some how transformed their identity to Christian. Read the Quran bellow, those who call themselves Christians made a covenant an broke it with the Arab nation Bringing fire and brimstone at any collaboration. Vatican City should address these, an certainly stop renogatating with them today.

Quran 5.14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Do you have anything that may mention this deal between the Roman Empire an Muslims ?
An the Quran is clear about requiring it's followers to observe the historical prophets - Moses Yahweh etc Hence Allah may be a new name, yet the nations fight is still alive.

Hi Charity, what a pleasant surprise. :hetro:

Nothing in the UB about an agreement with Rome between Islam and the followers of Jesus, only that the missionaries of Jesus were to uncompromising with their particular moral beliefs when they entered Arabia. So the Christian version of Jesus' gospel didn't make deep roots in Babylon before the rise of Islam.

Great to hear from you Kiwi girl.

 

[RBBI]

The urantia UFO cult garbage is a fabrication of lies, plain and simple.

Yet another thing I didn't know about this topic! Are you saying the information comes from UFO contacts? :jawdrop:

Do those of you following this information, realize they are the Nephalim of old? Again, I say RUN for your life....

 

[freelight]

research for yourself......

research for yourself......

Yet another thing I didn't know about this topic! Are you saying the information comes from UFO contacts? :jawdrop:

Do those of you following this information, realize they are the Nephalim of old? Again, I saw RUN for your life....

Please follow the discussion,....see the link that addresses journey's false claims here. I also correct GM here as well.

(the 'here' is a live link to the post or resource...its blue underlined....click on it. Links are blue underlined, move your cursor over it)

 

[freelight]

Stop the igorance......

Stop the igorance......

Yet another thing I didn't know about this topic!

That's why the thread exists, so you can properly educate yourself on the subject. Why would you listen to someone who is not only biased against the work, but is also ignorant of such refusing to properly inform himself on it, let alone read the text for himself. He's refused to do any of that.

Do those of you following this information, realize they are the Nephalim of old? Again, I saw RUN for your life....

Remember, God is Love....there is no fear in love. Seems like your response is just more typical knee-jerk reactions assuming all encounters with angels or spirits (of whatever kind or rank) are somehow the 'Nephilim' :jawdrop: The UB goes into great detail about the sons of God who did come down and 'mixed' with mankind,...the Genesis account gives us very little about it except to mention it.

 

[RBBI]

I forgive your assumption pertaining to my reaction encountering angels, and you forgive mine on assuming that someone who acted like they knew what was written, said the UFO words. Deal? Peace

PS. I've encountered both kinds of angels and I'm not afraid of either.