Syrian Refugee Dilemma

patrick jane

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With the recent terrorist attacks in France and elsewhere, immifration has become a hot topic. Many states have already said they will not accept Syrian refugees. Is it really Syrians and refugees that are dangerous ? At first I was dead set against Syrian refugees, then I heard about some WWII policies and immigration restrictions:


http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007094

UNITED STATES POLICY TOWARD JEWISH REFUGEES, 1941–1952



Although thousands of Jews had been admitted into the United States under the combined German-Austrian quota from 1938–1941, the US did not pursue an organized and specific rescue policy for Jewish victims of Nazi Germany until early 1944.

While some American activists sincerely intended to assist refugees, serious obstacles to any relaxation of US immigration quotas included public opposition to immigration during a time of economic depression, xenophobia, and antisemitic feelings in both the general public and among some key government officials. Once the United States entered World War II, the State Department practiced stricter immigration policies out of fear that refugees could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany.

It was not until January 1944 that President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under pressure from officials in his own government and an American Jewish community then fully aware of the extent of mass murder, took action to rescue European Jews. Following discussions with Treasury Department officials, he established the War Refugee Board (WRB) to facilitate the rescue of imperiled refugees. With the assistance of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and the World Jewish Congress, as well as resistance organizations in German-occupied Europe, the WRB helped to rescue many thousands of Jews in Hungary, Romania, and elsewhere in Europe.

In April 1944, Roosevelt also directed that Fort Ontario, New York, become a free port for refugees. However, only a few thousand refugees were allowed there and they were from liberated areas, not from Nazi-occupied areas. They were in no imminent danger of deportation to killing centers in German-occupied Poland.

Ultimately, Allied victory brought an end to Nazi terror in Europe and to the war in the Pacific. However, liberated Jews, suffering from illness and exhaustion, emerged from concentration camps and hiding places to discover a world which had no place for them. Bereft of home and family and reluctant to return to their prewar homelands, these Jewish displaced persons (DPs) were joined in a matter of months by more than 150,000 other Jews fleeing fierce antisemitism in Poland, Hungary, Romania, and the Soviet Union.

Most sought to begin a new life outside Europe. Palestine was the most favored destination of Jewish Holocaust survivors, followed by the United States. Immigration restrictions were still in effect in the United States after the war, and legislation to expedite the admission of Jewish DPs was slow in coming.

President Harry S. Truman favored a liberal immigration policy toward DPs. Faced with congressional inaction, he issued an executive order, the "Truman Directive," on December 22, 1945. The directive required that existing immigration quotas be designated for displaced persons. While overall immigration into the United States did not increase, more DPs were admitted than before. About 22,950 DPs, of whom two-thirds were Jewish, entered the United States between December 22, 1945, and 1947 under provisions of the Truman Directive.

Congressional action was needed before existing immigration quotas could be increased. In 1948, following intense lobbying by the American Jewish community, Congress passed legislation to admit 400,000 DPs to the United States. Nearly 80,000 of these, or about 20 percent, were Jewish DPs. The rest were Christians from Eastern Europe and the Baltics, many of whom had been forced laborers in Germany. The entry requirements favored agricultural laborers to such an extent, however, that President Truman called the law "flagrantly discriminatory against Jews." Congress amended the law in 1950, but by that time most of the Jewish DPs in Europe had gone to the newly established state of Israel (founded on May 14, 1948).

By 1952, 137,450 Jewish refugees (including close to 100,000 DPs) had settled in the United States. The amended 1948 law was a turning point in American immigration policy and established a precedent for later refugee crises.
 

patrick jane

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The satanists are ggod people.

By Andrew Blake - The Washington Times - Thursday, November 19, 2015
Amid the wave of Islamophobia stemming from last week’s terrorist attacks in Paris, Muslims in the United States are being offered solace from an unlikely source: satanists.

At least two chapters of the Satanic Temple announced this week that its members would be happy to help any Muslims made uncomfortable by the recent surge in anti-Islamic sentiment.

“If there is anyone in the San Jose region who is Muslim and afraid to leave their home out of fear for some kind of backlash, don’t hesitate to reach out to us. We would be glad to escort you where you need to go without advertising our presence — just big dudes walking you where you need to be. We would also happily deliver you some groceries,” the San Jose chapter of the Satanic Temple advertised on its Facebook page Wednesday.

Within a day, the Minneapolis-St. Paul chapter of the temple extended a hand as well.

“Our offer to the Muslims of the Twin Cities comes from a place of genuine compassion for our fellow human beings. It’s not to ride the tide of sentiment or capitalize on people for further name recognition. Let us know if you or someone you know need the sort of assistance we are offering,” the group said.

The temple’s offering comes the same week as the release of the Public Religion Research Institute’s 2015 Religious Landscape Survey, an annual report put out on Wednesday that concluded “Americans’ perceptions of Islam have turned more negative over the past few years.”

While the pollsters acknowledged that its questionnaire was conducted before Islamic extremists waged coordinated attacks in the French capital last week, killing more than 100, PRRI CEO Robert Jones said the data still shows an “increased xenophobic streak in the American public,” the likes of which he attributed directly in part to the Islamic State terror group, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

“ISIL seeks to exploit the idea that there’s war between Islam and the west, and when you see individuals in positions of responsibility suggesting Christians are more worthy of protection than Muslims are in a war-torn land, that feeds the ISIL narrative. It’s counterproductive. And it needs to stop,” President Obama said this week.

The Satanic Temple has offered a helping hand — a gesture not entirely atypical for the group, an atheistic branch of Satanism which encourages “benevolence and empathy among all people.”

“When people hear Satanism, immediately all these tired old Hollywood tropes come to mind — heavy metal and [Dungeons & Dragons], listening to [Black] Sabbath in the woods behind your house and getting stoned and killing a cat,” John Wreisner, the founder of the temple’s Minneapolis chapter, told an interviewer earlier this year.

“A lot of people are disarmed by the notion that we’re socially active satanists,” he said. “As a rule, I suppose we’re a religion first and foremost. It just so happens that the practice of our religion requires us to defend personal autonomy and the establishment clause in the constitution.”

In June, the group sued the Missouri governor and attorneys general over statewide restrictions requiring pregnant woman to wait 72 hours before terminating a pregnancy. The temple also proposed erecting a seven-foot-tall Baphomet statue in order to settle a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union after a Ten Commandments monument was placed outside the Oklahoma State Capitol.

Copyright © 2015 The Washington Times, LLC.
 

bybee

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With the recent terrorist attacks in France and elsewhere, immifration has become a hot topic. Many states have already said they will not accept Syrian refugees. Is it really Syrians and refugees that are dangerous ? At first I was dead set against Syrian refugees, then I heard about some WWII policies and immigration restrictions:


http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007094

UNITED STATES POLICY TOWARD JEWISH REFUGEES, 1941–1952



Although thousands of Jews had been admitted into the United States under the combined German-Austrian quota from 1938–1941, the US did not pursue an organized and specific rescue policy for Jewish victims of Nazi Germany until early 1944.

While some American activists sincerely intended to assist refugees, serious obstacles to any relaxation of US immigration quotas included public opposition to immigration during a time of economic depression, xenophobia, and antisemitic feelings in both the general public and among some key government officials. Once the United States entered World War II, the State Department practiced stricter immigration policies out of fear that refugees could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany.

It was not until January 1944 that President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under pressure from officials in his own government and an American Jewish community then fully aware of the extent of mass murder, took action to rescue European Jews. Following discussions with Treasury Department officials, he established the War Refugee Board (WRB) to facilitate the rescue of imperiled refugees. With the assistance of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and the World Jewish Congress, as well as resistance organizations in German-occupied Europe, the WRB helped to rescue many thousands of Jews in Hungary, Romania, and elsewhere in Europe.

In April 1944, Roosevelt also directed that Fort Ontario, New York, become a free port for refugees. However, only a few thousand refugees were allowed there and they were from liberated areas, not from Nazi-occupied areas. They were in no imminent danger of deportation to killing centers in German-occupied Poland.

Ultimately, Allied victory brought an end to Nazi terror in Europe and to the war in the Pacific. However, liberated Jews, suffering from illness and exhaustion, emerged from concentration camps and hiding places to discover a world which had no place for them. Bereft of home and family and reluctant to return to their prewar homelands, these Jewish displaced persons (DPs) were joined in a matter of months by more than 150,000 other Jews fleeing fierce antisemitism in Poland, Hungary, Romania, and the Soviet Union.

Most sought to begin a new life outside Europe. Palestine was the most favored destination of Jewish Holocaust survivors, followed by the United States. Immigration restrictions were still in effect in the United States after the war, and legislation to expedite the admission of Jewish DPs was slow in coming.

President Harry S. Truman favored a liberal immigration policy toward DPs. Faced with congressional inaction, he issued an executive order, the "Truman Directive," on December 22, 1945. The directive required that existing immigration quotas be designated for displaced persons. While overall immigration into the United States did not increase, more DPs were admitted than before. About 22,950 DPs, of whom two-thirds were Jewish, entered the United States between December 22, 1945, and 1947 under provisions of the Truman Directive.

Congressional action was needed before existing immigration quotas could be increased. In 1948, following intense lobbying by the American Jewish community, Congress passed legislation to admit 400,000 DPs to the United States. Nearly 80,000 of these, or about 20 percent, were Jewish DPs. The rest were Christians from Eastern Europe and the Baltics, many of whom had been forced laborers in Germany. The entry requirements favored agricultural laborers to such an extent, however, that President Truman called the law "flagrantly discriminatory against Jews." Congress amended the law in 1950, but by that time most of the Jewish DPs in Europe had gone to the newly established state of Israel (founded on May 14, 1948).

By 1952, 137,450 Jewish refugees (including close to 100,000 DPs) had settled in the United States. The amended 1948 law was a turning point in American immigration policy and established a precedent for later refugee crises.

We cannot afford to ignore humanitarian necessities, YET, the safety and welfare of our own people comes first.
Jewish immigrants were not riddled with terrorists with the avowed purpose of slaughtering American citizens and taking down our government.
Our Mexican immigrants come here legally and illegally to have a better life. The majority of them work hard, take care of their families and are good neighbors. The danger there is drug dealers slipping into the populace with criminal intent.
I see a difference here in intent. And intent is what precedes behavior.
 

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
give 'em all AK47s and a couple hundred rounds of ammo each

put 'em back in syria

build a wall around syria

and let them figure it out on their own
 

ok doser

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Who's gonna build and pay or the wall?

it's gotta be cheaper than the military cost of what we're doing now

we can make europe chip in

and use illegal Mexican immigrant labor:idunno:

perform this public service for a year (building the wall) and get yer citizenship!
 

Quincy

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We cannot afford to ignore humanitarian necessities, YET, the safety and welfare of our own people comes first.

I agree. Saying no to these refugees isn't hating them, it's caring about your own first. If there was only a few of them or if we could spend the years necessary to check these people out, then it would be a different story. This though, it's just routing flood waters into a dam already about to bust.
 

Zeke

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I agree. Saying no to these refugees isn't hating them, it's caring about your own first. If there was only a few of them or if we could spend the years necessary to check these people out, then it would be a different story. This though, it's just routing flood waters into a dam already about to bust.

To bad the Indians that had first contact with Columbus didn't have that plan in effect, they might have diverted the manifest destiny crowd from stealing and raping the land, (feudalism gone global) a land grab still in effect it just morphed over into the flesh and blood being the currency by having their birth right stolen while still birthed/born through a dead letter document, modeled after the old Futile system that never went away.

The only enemy is our own blindness to the propaganda mill that keeps this parasitical system in power through bust and boom cycles with war being the escape hatch for the rich bloodline families, who are the only ones who really gain from it.
 

theophilus

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When ISIS takes over the choices for the Christians are:

1. Convert
2. Pay a tax
3. Leave
4. Die

MANY of the refugees are Christians fleeing for their lives.

How do we turn our brothers away?
 

PureX

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We want easy solutions, because we are Americans, and we think everything should be fast and easy so we can forget it and move on feeling all clean and shiny. But there are no easy solutions to any of this. And there is no way to escape the question before us, feeling all clean and shiny.

(Probably why we aren't talking about it.)

We can take in many very needy, innocent people, but that will cost a lot of money and there will be some risk of terrorism involved.

We can ignore them, and leave it to others, but we won't get to feel very good about ourselves, doing that.

We could send aid to other countries who have already decided to take them in, but not take them in, ourselves. But again, that's still not going to make us feel very clean and shiny, either.

We can play every-man-for-himself, and build a wall, but most of us don't want to live that way. We're ignorant enough, already, without building walls around ourselves!

So there will be no way to win in this situation. We don't get to be the "good guys" no matter what we do. The American-Fantasyland isn't open for business, today.
 

brewmama

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When ISIS takes over the choices for the Christians are:

1. Convert
2. Pay a tax
3. Leave
4. Die

MANY of the refugees are Christians fleeing for their lives.

How do we turn our brothers away?

Obama is turning the Christians away.

"Certainly the case can be made that Middle-Eastern Christians, as a group, are targeted by ISIS and other hard-core Islamic terrorists more than any other group. (It is possible that Jews could also be particular targets, had they not largely abandoned the region years ago.) In Iraq, the ethnic Chaldeans and Assyrians (two groups that should be familiar to Bible students) have long been mostly Christian. Chaldean Archbishop Bashar Warda of Iraq told a press conference at the 2015 Knights of Columbus Convention in Philadelphia in August of the concerns of Christians. He was joined by a Syrian archbishop, Jean-Clement Jeanbart, and they quoted federal data which indicated that since October of last year, 906 Muslim refugees from Syria were granted U.S. visas, but only 28 of Syria’s estimated 700,000 Christian refugees obtained visas.

As Chip Wood wrote for The New American, “The Obama administration has rigged the rules in favor of Muslim refugees.”


http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...spotlights-anti-christian-bias-of-obama-admin
 

chrysostom

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We want easy solutions, because we are Americans, and we think everything should be fast and easy so we can forget it and move on feeling all clean and shiny.

you don't speak for us
but
you may speak for those in the democratic party
 

Nick M

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What refugees? What do you mean? B. Hussein Obama said ISIS, the JV team, is contained. He dealt with it. So send them back.
 
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