Alate_One
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So you're talking about like it was before the ACA was passed. Yup it was pretty bad to have people getting healthcare for free by showing up to hospitals. At least now they'll be asked to pay for it ahead of time.
toldailytopic: What will 4 more years of Obama mean for this country?
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So you're talking about like it was before the ACA was passed. Yup it was pretty bad to have people getting healthcare for free by showing up to hospitals. At least now they'll be asked to pay for it ahead of time.
Good plan :thumb:
oatmeal
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Depends on what believers do. Will they believe God's word? or enslave themselves to the Pharaoh Obama?
oatmeal
Is that what you called it when the world came to America when they had "free healthcare"? Moron...
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No, but you will go to hell.
Nobody gets free healthcare! Someone is paying for it.
Good post Bybee!!
Is that what you called it when the world came to America when they had "free healthcare"? Moron...
:dizzy:
No, but you will go to hell.
Like your post!!
This Charming Manc
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I would be opposed to that too, for government healthcare to work those paying for it should get it too.
Any socialised healthcare system should be universal. If not it is grossly unfair and I understand the objection.
If possible all should contribute something, if possible all should receive something
Any socialised healthcare system should be universal. If not it is grossly unfair and I understand the objection.
If possible all should contribute something, if possible all should receive something
It was (and is) the US economy that allowed the Europeans to get fully invested in their current financial mess. If our economy models theirs, "ain't gonna be pretty" will join the list of euphemisms.
Just to be scary about it all, Obama, the Dems, and some Repubs plus Libertarians are advocating huge cuts in defense spending while the Russians, Chinese and Iranians are plowing big money into their military budgets.
The grand upshot of this, back in the 1930s, ended with "Yesterday, December 7th, a day which will live in infamy ..."
How? If they didn't have any money to pay for healthcare before ACA, what makes you think they will have the money to pay for it under ACA?
PureX
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Yeah, except land areas don't vote. People do.Hey guys, just want to show you this fascinating map. It takes all that Red to Pay for the Blue
This is a county by county map not a popular vote map.
That would make a lot more sense, if blue states were getting more federal handouts than the red states.
But they aren't. In fact, the reverse is true.
This gap between political perception and fiscal reality is also reflected in the distribution of tax dollars at the state level: Most politically "red" states are financially in the red when it comes to how much money they receive from Washington compared with what their residents pay in taxes.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
But they aren't. In fact, the reverse is true.
This gap between political perception and fiscal reality is also reflected in the distribution of tax dollars at the state level: Most politically "red" states are financially in the red when it comes to how much money they receive from Washington compared with what their residents pay in taxes.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
Romney didn't even get the turn out that John McCain did in '08. Think the RePublicans :cigar: will nominate another child-killing, antichrist:reals: (2 Pe 2:1, Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10) in 2016?
I believe he is referring to the founding of our country.
lain: The rest of the article gets better. He's calling for revival.
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He mostly did, falling two million short with around 57 to McCain's 59 and it might be closer now, but the President's turnout was the real story, dropping by around nine million.
I think that it's likely that whoever gets the nomination will agree on exceptions.
Then he has a tremendous moral problem or an incomplete understanding of our slave trade.I believe he is referring to the founding of our country.
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drbrumley
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| Obama Won. Now What Will You Do? by Gary North Tea Party Economist If your answer is “not much,” then the election was peripheral. It really did not matter. My suggestion: never take seriously the pre-election hype in any future election. Don’t watch the polls; watch Intrade betting. Don’t post comments on Facebook except to show your amusement at all the hype. On the other hand, if your plan now is to prepare for a collapse, then you were right to be concerned. You are now going to put your money – most of your liquid capital – where your mouth was. You are consistent. If you are somewhere in the middle, you are like the polls: “within the statistical margin of error.” I will make no changes in my life based on Obama’s victory. That is because he is boxed in.The House is solidly Republican. The Senate Democrats cannot get a 60-vote majority to shut off a filibuster. Washington is headed for gridlock. This is good. This is not a dysfunctional government. A dysfunctional government passes lots of laws. The laws are almost always bad laws. Then the federal bureaucracy interprets and implements these laws in the Federal Register. What little that might have been good gets bad. A gridlocked government is the best we can hope for. That was true last year, too. It was true in 1955. It was true especially in 1913. If my assessment is accurate, then the election of 2012 was not “the election of the last century.” The election of 1964 was important, and it was a rout for Goldwater. The most important election since 1896 was in 1904. Who can recall the name of the Democrat who lost – the last “Clevelandite,” meaning the end of the Old Democracy? That defeat changed America as no election ever since did. That election gave us Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson. The day after a Presidential election is like the day after the Superbowl. The hype is over. Life goes on as before for most people. My suggestion: start making major changes in your life’s plan. Make them in terms of reality: the unfunded present value of future federal liabilities: $222 trillion. |
Great assessment by Gary North. Just be prepared for what's coming.
Alate_One
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Except it doesn't reflect population at all.
This one is from 2008 but it's distorted based on population
Population centers tend to vote democratic. It's rural voters that vote Republican and the rural population has been declining.
Alate_One
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No kidding. But currently we all pay for deadbeats who go to the hospital, run up huge bills and then can't pay them. The ACA/Obamacare will force people to buy insurance ahead of time so that those that can pay into the system while they are well, do so rather than showing up to the ER, crashing and burning and dumping the cost over what they can afford on the rest of us that have insurance.
It's the free rider problem. Even Mitt Romney understood/stands it.
| The Free Rider Problem | |
Alas the Massachusett's plan is actually better on collecting revenue from deadbeats than the ACA, but ya'll objected to that part of the bill. :doh: