ECT Open Rebuke is Better...and needed, here

[Lon]

Do Not return evil for evil, but overcome evil with good

and

Learn to discern rightly (correctly).

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.

Who is in Christ?
Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone believes they can lose their salvation, but believes the above, guess what? You are wrong, they aren't wolves. They are in the BoC. You :loser:'ed


Stop accusing, and correct the wicked behavior (as I am doing here). Don't think the worst, hope for the best, that they come 'round to their Savior in adoration. The divisive one and disobedient who is harming the local body, needs to be handled by the local body. Some on TOL do not have a home church - may be these ones who are being disciplined by their church, but we are not a local body on TOL. I'm not sure how we are supposed to be dealing with those on the internet. The goal is for them to repent.

Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone doesn't agree with you that all your sins are covered in the blood of Christ, guess what? They are simply wrong, not outside the faith. Being 'wrong' does not equate 'Not saved' Ever (may be an indication but is disassociative.). Romans 10:11 makes that point, not MAD, not Calvinism, not even arianism. We have a LOT of fruit inspectors on TOL. You CANNOT inspect Romans 10:11 other than people who deny Him and are vocal about it. Shut your ignorant mouths.

You or your neighbor cannot determine BoC who's who unless they deny Him - deny the essential gospel! Paul and Peter argued doctrine. They did not condemn one another to hell whether one was MAD or another Arminian or even, in this case, Judaising, which really was a problem with the essential gospel for gentiles. Peter wasn't going to hell or a child of satan for it! He was just wrong, fine, oppose him, but quite the ridiculous lying accusation. Peter was of Christ.
Those confused by fruit? Yes, scripture can lead to that confusion. Where is any verse that says "By their doctrine, you will know them????" (doesn't exist).
John 4:22 but verse 23 ends that dispute.

Knock off the petty, stupid, mindless, scriptureless, ignorant, backbiting!
Be about His business and leave inane rants back on the gradeschool yard!

We have WAY more important tasks than trying to decide who is who in the BoC which is frankly, none (nadda) of your business other than pointing all men to Christ and lifting up Christ that all men will come to Him. John 12:32 Lift Him up!

Smack of truth? Not hardly. Go ahead and debate theologies, but knock of the accusations. Assert what is true, knock of inaccuracies and lies from the pit. You don't get to tell someone they are going to hell. You can merely assess a current path that is broad and leads to destruction. Say so, don't tell lies. No "you are going to hell" is true without MAJOR qualifications: "...if you persist on this path...If you do not put your trust in Christ...if you continue to deny Him." <-- All scriptures someone can show clearly and easily. If scripture doesn't say it, you overstepped truth and started lying. For what? A doctrine? That's all you, no Him anywhere in it. Stop it. Repent. Romans 12:14&20 1 Thessalonians 5:15 Luke 6:37 2 Corinthians 7:11 These are all commands. Show me 1(one) verse that says to do otherwise ( :nono: doesn't exist, just examples that weak minded follow thinking to excuse poor behavior that was NOT present when Paul, Jesus, or John the Baptist used them :nono: ).Rather Romans 2 & 14:4
"But Jesus, Paul, and John the Baptist called people harsh names!?"
Show me the scripture that tells 'you' to go out and do likewise :nono:
EVERY instance was aimed at rebuke AND evangelism, not 'defense.' Every last one of them was said, not because their feelings were hurt or they were just plain onery. It was said because of care and concern even for those in error.

The Pharisees: "Do what they say, not what they do."Matthew 23:3 And John 4:22
Among them, Nicodemus was likely saved so they are not the scapegoat for every wack fringe accusation.
Hosea 4:6 2 Timothy 2:23 Titus 3:9
God does not answer the prayers of "child of Satan!" Matthew 15:26 Proverbs 15:29
1 Peter 3:12 John 9:31 James 5:16 Mark 3:27 Matthew 12:28 & 29 Mark 9:39
So stop your insane ignorant mouths. You are being petty, stupid, scripturally ignorant, fleshly, and divisive(I pray you accusers of the BoC will have contemplated carefully instead of hoof and mouth syndrome with hitting your reply button to your own ignorant demise).

The Scriptures, to meditate upon and give prayerful contemplation:

Spoiler

Scriptures to study and meditate
2Ti 2:21 Therefore if anyone purges himself from these, he shall be a vessel to honor, sanctified and useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
2Ti 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and follow righteousness, faith, love, peace, with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 2:23 But avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they give birth to strifes.
2Ti 2:24 But the servant of the Lord must not strive, but to be gentle to all, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in meekness instructing those who oppose, if perhaps God will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they awake out of the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him, so as to do the will of that one

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.
Luke 6:44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Rom 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be conceited.
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.
Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
1Th 5:15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
Luk 6:37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
Rom 2:2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who do such things.
Rom 2:3 Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
Rom 2:10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Rom 2:11 For God shows no partiality.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Pharisees knew and taught the truth:
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge...

2Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
2Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
2Ti 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Tit 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Submitted in our Christ, that all men and women should walk in Him and with Him and bring Him alone, glory honor and power, not our pet doctrines or those who crowd with us.

We are to love without favoritism and not mistreat these others. There is no excuse for returning evil for evil. This is a command.
Romans 12:17&21
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[bybee]

Do Not return evil for evil, but overcome evil with good

and

Learn to discern rightly (correctly).

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.

Who is in Christ?
Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone believes they can lose their salvation, but believes the above, guess what? You are wrong, they aren't wolves. They are in the BoC. You :loser:'ed


Stop accusing, and correct the wicked behavior (as I am doing here). Don't think the worst, hope for the best, that they come 'round to their Savior in adoration. The divisive one and disobedient who is harming the local body, needs to be handled by the local body. Some on TOL do not have a home church - may be these ones who are being disciplined by their church, but we are not a local body on TOL. I'm not sure how we are supposed to be dealing with those on the internet. The goal is for them to repent.

Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone doesn't agree with you that all your sins are covered in the blood of Christ, guess what? They are simply wrong, not outside the faith. Being 'wrong' does not equate 'Not saved' Ever (may be an indication but is disassociative.). Romans 10:11 makes that point, not MAD, not Calvinism, not even arianism. We have a LOT of fruit inspectors on TOL. You CANNOT inspect Romans 10:11 other than people who deny Him and are vocal about it. Shut your ignorant mouths.

You or your neighbor cannot determine BoC who's who unless they deny Him - deny the essential gospel! Paul and Peter argued doctrine. They did not condemn one another to hell whether one was MAD or another Arminian or even, in this case, Judaising, which really was a problem with the essential gospel for gentiles. Peter wasn't going to hell or a child of satan for it! He was just wrong, fine, oppose him, but quite the ridiculous lying accusation. Peter was of Christ.
Those confused by fruit? Yes, scripture can lead to that confusion. Where is any verse that says "By their doctrine, you will know them????" (doesn't exist).
John 4:22 but verse 23 ends that dispute.

Knock off the petty, stupid, mindless, scriptureless, ignorant, backbiting!
Be about His business and leave inane rants back on the gradeschool yard!

We have WAY more important tasks than trying to decide who is who in the BoC which is frankly, none (nadda) of your business other than pointing all men to Christ and lifting up Christ that all men will come to Him. John 12:32 Lift Him up!

Smack of truth? Not hardly. Go ahead and debate theologies, but knock of the accusations. Assert what is true, knock of inaccuracies and lies from the pit. You don't get to tell someone they are going to hell. You can merely assess a current path that is broad and leads to destruction. Say so, don't tell lies. No "you are going to hell" is true without MAJOR qualifications: "...if you persist on this path...If you do not put your trust in Christ...if you continue to deny Him." <-- All scriptures someone can show clearly and easily. If scripture doesn't say it, you overstepped truth and started lying. For what? A doctrine? That's all you, no Him anywhere in it. Stop it. Repent. Romans 12:14&20 1 Thessalonians 5:15 Luke 6:37 2 Corinthians 7:11 These are all commands. Show me 1(one) verse that says to do otherwise ( :nono: doesn't exist, just examples that weak minded follow thinking to excuse poor behavior that was NOT present when Paul, Jesus, or John the Baptist used them :nono: ).Rather Romans 2 & 14:4
"But Jesus, Paul, and John the Baptist called people harsh names!?"
Show me the scripture that tells 'you' to go out and do likewise :nono:
EVERY instance was aimed at rebuke AND evangelism, not 'defense.' Every last one of them was said, not because their feelings were hurt or they were just plain onery. It was said because of care and concern even for those in error.

The Pharisees: "Do what they say, not what they do."Matthew 23:3 And John 4:22
Among them, Nicodemus was likely saved so they are not the scapegoat for every wack fringe accusation.
Hosea 4:6 2 Timothy 2:23 Titus 3:9
God does not answer the prayers of "child of Satan!" Matthew 15:26 Proverbs 15:29
1 Peter 3:12 John 9:31 James 5:16 Mark 3:27 Matthew 12:28 & 29 Mark 9:39
So stop your insane ignorant mouths. You are being petty, stupid, scripturally ignorant, fleshly, and divisive(I pray you accusers of the BoC will have contemplated carefully instead of hoof and mouth syndrome with hitting your reply button to your own ignorant demise).

The Scriptures, to meditate upon and give prayerful contemplation:

Spoiler

Scriptures to study and meditate
2Ti 2:21 Therefore if anyone purges himself from these, he shall be a vessel to honor, sanctified and useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
2Ti 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and follow righteousness, faith, love, peace, with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 2:23 But avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they give birth to strifes.
2Ti 2:24 But the servant of the Lord must not strive, but to be gentle to all, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in meekness instructing those who oppose, if perhaps God will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they awake out of the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him, so as to do the will of that one

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.
Luke 6:44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Rom 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be conceited.
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.
Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
1Th 5:15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
Luk 6:37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
Rom 2:2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who do such things.
Rom 2:3 Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
Rom 2:10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Rom 2:11 For God shows no partiality.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Pharisees knew and taught the truth:
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge...

2Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
2Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
2Ti 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Tit 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Submitted in our Christ, that all men and women should walk in Him and with Him and bring Him alone, glory honor and power, not our pet doctrines or those who crowd with us.

We are to love without favoritism and not mistreat these others. There is no excuse for returning evil for evil. This is a command.
Romans 12:17&21
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Well said!

 

[Nick M]

Do Not return evil for evil, but overcome evil with good

That, has nothing to do with this.

Titus 1:10-11

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

And if you are calling rebuke evil, then you are evil in your heart. Or just stupid.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Do Not return evil for evil, but overcome evil with good

and

Learn to discern rightly (correctly).

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.

Who is in Christ?
Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone believes they can lose their salvation, but believes the above, guess what? You are wrong, they aren't wolves. They are in the BoC. You :loser:'ed


Stop accusing, and correct the wicked behavior (as I am doing here). Don't think the worst, hope for the best, that they come 'round to their Savior in adoration. The divisive one and disobedient who is harming the local body, needs to be handled by the local body. Some on TOL do not have a home church - may be these ones who are being disciplined by their church, but we are not a local body on TOL. I'm not sure how we are supposed to be dealing with those on the internet. The goal is for them to repent.

Read Romans 10:11 and get it right. If someone doesn't agree with you that all your sins are covered in the blood of Christ, guess what? They are simply wrong, not outside the faith. Being 'wrong' does not equate 'Not saved' Ever (may be an indication but is disassociative.). Romans 10:11 makes that point, not MAD, not Calvinism, not even arianism. We have a LOT of fruit inspectors on TOL. You CANNOT inspect Romans 10:11 other than people who deny Him and are vocal about it. Shut your ignorant mouths.

You or your neighbor cannot determine BoC who's who unless they deny Him - deny the essential gospel! Paul and Peter argued doctrine. They did not condemn one another to hell whether one was MAD or another Arminian or even, in this case, Judaising, which really was a problem with the essential gospel for gentiles. Peter wasn't going to hell or a child of satan for it! He was just wrong, fine, oppose him, but quite the ridiculous lying accusation. Peter was of Christ.
Those confused by fruit? Yes, scripture can lead to that confusion. Where is any verse that says "By their doctrine, you will know them????" (doesn't exist).
John 4:22 but verse 23 ends that dispute.

Knock off the petty, stupid, mindless, scriptureless, ignorant, backbiting!
Be about His business and leave inane rants back on the gradeschool yard!

We have WAY more important tasks than trying to decide who is who in the BoC which is frankly, none (nadda) of your business other than pointing all men to Christ and lifting up Christ that all men will come to Him. John 12:32 Lift Him up!

Smack of truth? Not hardly. Go ahead and debate theologies, but knock of the accusations. Assert what is true, knock of inaccuracies and lies from the pit. You don't get to tell someone they are going to hell. You can merely assess a current path that is broad and leads to destruction. Say so, don't tell lies. No "you are going to hell" is true without MAJOR qualifications: "...if you persist on this path...If you do not put your trust in Christ...if you continue to deny Him." <-- All scriptures someone can show clearly and easily. If scripture doesn't say it, you overstepped truth and started lying. For what? A doctrine? That's all you, no Him anywhere in it. Stop it. Repent. Romans 12:14&20 1 Thessalonians 5:15 Luke 6:37 2 Corinthians 7:11 These are all commands. Show me 1(one) verse that says to do otherwise ( :nono: doesn't exist, just examples that weak minded follow thinking to excuse poor behavior that was NOT present when Paul, Jesus, or John the Baptist used them :nono: ).Rather Romans 2 & 14:4
"But Jesus, Paul, and John the Baptist called people harsh names!?"
Show me the scripture that tells 'you' to go out and do likewise :nono:
EVERY instance was aimed at rebuke AND evangelism, not 'defense.' Every last one of them was said, not because their feelings were hurt or they were just plain onery. It was said because of care and concern even for those in error.

The Pharisees: "Do what they say, not what they do."Matthew 23:3 And John 4:22
Among them, Nicodemus was likely saved so they are not the scapegoat for every wack fringe accusation.
Hosea 4:6 2 Timothy 2:23 Titus 3:9
God does not answer the prayers of "child of Satan!" Matthew 15:26 Proverbs 15:29
1 Peter 3:12 John 9:31 James 5:16 Mark 3:27 Matthew 12:28 & 29 Mark 9:39
So stop your insane ignorant mouths. You are being petty, stupid, scripturally ignorant, fleshly, and divisive(I pray you accusers of the BoC will have contemplated carefully instead of hoof and mouth syndrome with hitting your reply button to your own ignorant demise).

The Scriptures, to meditate upon and give prayerful contemplation:

Spoiler

Scriptures to study and meditate
2Ti 2:21 Therefore if anyone purges himself from these, he shall be a vessel to honor, sanctified and useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.
2Ti 2:22 But flee youthful lusts, and follow righteousness, faith, love, peace, with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2Ti 2:23 But avoid foolish and unlearned questions, knowing that they give birth to strifes.
2Ti 2:24 But the servant of the Lord must not strive, but to be gentle to all, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in meekness instructing those who oppose, if perhaps God will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and that they awake out of the snare of the Devil, having been taken captive by him, so as to do the will of that one

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believes on Him shall not be ashamed.
Luke 6:44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Rom 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be conceited.
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.
Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
1Th 5:15 See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful.
Luk 6:37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
Rom 2:2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who do such things.
Rom 2:3 Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who do such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Rom 2:9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
Rom 2:10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
Rom 2:11 For God shows no partiality.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Pharisees knew and taught the truth:
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.
Mat 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat,
Mat 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you--but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge...

2Ti 2:23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.
2Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
2Ti 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
Tit 3:8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Tit 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,
Tit 3:11 knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Submitted in our Christ, that all men and women should walk in Him and with Him and bring Him alone, glory honor and power, not our pet doctrines or those who crowd with us.

We are to love without favoritism and not mistreat these others. There is no excuse for returning evil for evil. This is a command.
Romans 12:17&21
17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

The answer is that they simply parrot what they suppose are truisms [but often are untruisms] not doctrines which they have reasoned out. Being lost for a reasoned response all they CAN do is hurl abuse and damnations etc.

 

[Lon]

And if you are calling rebuke evil, then you are evil in your heart. Or just stupid.

:nono: I'm doing the rebuking here. It is a TOL sermon, much needed this Lord's Sunday.

 

[CabinetMaker]

:nono: I'm doing the rebuking here. It is a TOL sermon, much needed this Lord's Sunday.

And you are much MUCH better at it than Nick. Nick, pay attention, you might learn something about what a Godly rebuke actually looks like.

 

[resurrected]

lon, i understand that you are rebuking sozo for his manner of rebuking you

now, i could take the easy path and rebuke you for your manner of rebuking sozo for rebuking you, but i won't

instead, i'm gonna ask you this:


what was sozo rebuking you for? :idunno:

 

[fzappa13]

Well, Nick's here ... I suspect the other two thirds of the unholy trinity will be along shortly after they've had their cuppa ...

 

[jamie]

It is a TOL sermon, much needed this Lord's Sunday.

Who is this "lord" to whom you refer?

 

[Nang]

what was sozo rebuking you for? :idunno:

It was not rebuke . . It was condemnation.

Several sorry persons here, do not seem to realize the difference between rebuking with biblical correction, and hateful condemnation.

 

[bybee]

That, has nothing to do with this.

Titus 1:10-11

For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

And if you are calling rebuke evil, then you are evil in your heart. Or just stupid.

As I read it he is not calling "rebuke" evil but, he is calling the "manner" of rebuking, used by some, to be problematic.
To call another Christian woman a "whore" is problematic for me.

 

[Lon]

Who is this "lord" to whom you refer?

The Lord Our God.

 

[Nick M]

As I read it he is not calling "rebuke" evil but, he is calling the "manner" of rebuking, used by some, to be problematic.
To call another Christian woman a "whore" is problematic for me.

He is complaining about Sozo pointing out the truth, Lon telling people God predestined people to hell for his pleasure is evil and wicked. And you are defending it, so you clearly are evil and wicked.

 

[bybee]

He is complaining about Sozo pointing out the truth, Lon telling people God predestined people to hell for his pleasure is evil and wicked. And you are defending it, so you clearly are evil and wicked.

And you are clearly a flaming hard hearted lunatic!
I am not wicked nor am I evil.
I am saved.
What in God's name has gone so wrong in you that you constantly spew venom on other Christians?

 

[jamie]

The Lord Our God.

Do you mean the one who created the Sabbath as an integral part of creation? A day of rest for men and women? That God?

 

[Lon]

He is complaining about Sozo pointing out the truth, Lon telling people God predestined people to hell for his pleasure is evil and wicked. And you are defending it, so you clearly are evil and wicked.

Where did I say it first? I'll say this again, I disagree with on a number of points with Calvin and other Calvinists. If it makes me no longer a Calvinist, well and fine. I don't appreciate condemnation because you are on a wolf-hunt however. That is just shooting to be shooting. We are not Christian wolf-hunters. They come around sheep once inawhile but being a shepherd is about taking care of sheep. That's the primary goal. Getting a bottle and ammo and a truck and going after wolves isn't really a Christian's job. If you are doing a weekend thing, well and good but be sure not to shoot any of His sheep! A black one isn't instantly a wolf. Be sure of your shot and shoot true.

 

[Lon]

Do you mean the one who created the Sabbath as an integral part of creation? A day of rest for men and women? That God?

Romans 14:5

In Him

 

[Angel4Truth]

As I read it he is not calling "rebuke" evil but, he is calling the "manner" of rebuking, used by some, to be problematic.
To call another Christian woman a "whore" is problematic for me.

Same here. That was disturbing and totally uncalled for. It smacks of blatant hatred instead of love.

 

[resurrected]

Same here. That was disturbing and totally uncalled for. It smacks of blatant hatred instead of love.

who should we love most?

our neighbor?

or God?

 

[Angel4Truth]

who should we love most?

our neighbor?

or God?

God, now please show me Christ or one of the apostles calling any individual woman a whore.

If you believe that is defensible you are just as bad as he was for saying that. There is nothing loving in it.

That is not truth smacking, its hate smacking.