beloved57
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Are you in Atlanta ?
You must be saved to believe the Gospel !
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beloved57
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Jesus did seek and saved the lost, those whom He sought and saved may believe the Gospel But some people are lost whom He didnt seek and saved, they cant believe the Gospel
OZOS
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No, but I can be. Someone needs to slap some sense into you.
OZOS
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Earlier you told everyone that the lost "can't" be saved.
I'm impressed that you have the testicular fortitude to keep posting, most people would be too embarrassed to keep showing up and looking like an idiot over and over again.
That is what the verse literally says called/ saved in that order.
beloved57
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Yeah right !
Why are you ADDING to what the verse actually says ?
Act 2:21 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Call then saved see how that works ?
beloved57
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Im not, its in your imagination !
Nope, you’re adding your unscriptural spin.
beloved57
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Sure in your imagination, its a stronghold !
Nope but the lies you have accepted contradicting scripture are the strongholds, sadly.
beloved57
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No that's you my friend.
I wasn’t the one that added to the verse YOU were.
beloved57
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Its in your imagination.
The verse says whoever calls will be saved.
That's the order.
Calvinism changes that to be whoever is saved will call.
Completely opposite of what the text says.
beloved57
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I know what the verse says. I have already spoke to you about it.
A lost person cannot believe in Christ because the Gospel is hidden from the lost. 2 Cor 4:3
OZOS
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No you don't. You have no clue what it says.
"And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
"For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"
Paul says that those who call on Him must first believe, but they cannot believe unless they first hear, and they cannot hear, unless someone tells them.
The order is clear...
1. Gospel is preached.
2. Someone hears the gospel.
3. Someone believes the gospel.
4. They call upon the Lord.
5. They are then saved.
"As for me, I will call upon God, And the Lord shall save me."
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek."
Your anti-Christ doctrine strips the gospel of it's power.
The "lost" in this context belong to the nation of Israel who reject Christ as their Messiah, and turn their hearts to trusting in the Law. For you to say otherwise, is a blatant lie. The entire context of 2 Cor 3-4 has been shown to you and you have refused it in favor of your doctrine of demons.
"Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their (Israel's) heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away...
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them."
Paul spoke of this also in Romans...
"For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they (Israel) are beloved for the sake of the fathers."
The children of Israel rejected their Messiah and opted to trust in Moses (the Law). As a result, of rejecting Christ, and trusting in the Law, a veil continues over their heart. If they were to turn to the Lord (repent) then the veil is taken away. The children of Israel are "perishing" (lost) because they are rejecting Paul's gospel, having been blinded until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled.
You are without excuse for applying the teachings of your cult to this text.
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You are totally butchering what the Bible says. Of course lost people are blind to the truth, and of course Christians are lost before they believe and receive the truth. But your assumption that nobody can ever get saved who starts out lost is unbiblical, ridiculous and heretical.
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